re: Phi Psi at LSU suspended

One episode of Trailer Park Boys will do it to you

Well my point was - the two girls I know who were date raped in college were date raped by boys whose fathers were lawyers

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I’m sure the game nights you and your friends put on were absolute ragers.

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You and MSU98 frick each other?

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Also it’s considered buying your friends which ever way you want to look at it. My friends and I do the same exact thing when we throw parties. No dues. No other bs drama frats go through. No paying for people to hang around with. Simple. Please make this your first and final posts on this new account you created. You are already making yourself look like a dumbarse.

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Spoken like every other GDI - cliché and a stupid argument.

These parties you attended (where I am certain the females were plentiful): Did you have to buy beer? Food? Venue? Drinks for females? (if there were any in attendance) Pictures? This is what I paid for in my dues. Portion of it went to social fund (beer food and supplies for parties), portion went to upkeep on the house (venue costs and sorry girls like a frat house more than the patio of a dorm or apartment), portion went to my meal plan at the house and a portion went to national dues. Nobody bought friends, we never had drama just a good fugin time. Sorry you are angry you missed out.

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This is what I paid for in my dues

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That is what daddy paid for bud

Feel like it is a damn crime with Greek Life that GDIs have more fun and do not have to pay dues and still have girls over at their parties. It is like y’all could not do that so that is why y’all had to join Greek. Notice how no other school group makes you feel wrong for not joining their group besides Greek? I don’t know it just seems strange to me. Only problem I have with them is making LSU look like absolute shite year in and year out. Also I do feel like Greek Life is a group for people who pay for friends and a good time because they could not do it without Greek. My opinion on it.

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That is what daddy paid for bud

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Well for me your tax dollars paid for part of it since I went on active duty Army to get the GI Bill and then joined the guard while at LSU to pay tuition.

I never thought of my fraternity days as buying friends. Most of use were as broke as any other college kid. Once thing I did learn about was the ability to pool funds together to accomplish something I couldn’t do alone.

I’m not saying we didn’t have jerks like any other group but we all had non fraternity friends who came to our parties and I don’t think I ever cared if my friends were in a fraternity or not. We obviously lived together in the house so by default, we hung around each other most of the time.

And yes, we did some dumb stuff some of the time and we also spent a lot of time doing volunteer work. Again, probably like anyone else.

I can promise one thing though, if anyone thinks we were the rich daddy’s kids had just spent a few days living in the dump of a house we lived in, I think they might change their tune.

Alabama sorority girls sound nice.

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Alabama sorority girls sound nice.

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They are. But being a GDI doesn't preclude you from meeting them.

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The Spleen, I'd be interested to hear more about your experience at Bama. When were you at UA, and does this sound at all what it was like back then?

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I was at Bama from 91-96. I did summer rush, but realized about midway through the process that Greek life wasn't for me and I withdrew from it. Back then, Bama was maybe 20k students, so about half the size it is now, and I'd say 60-70% of the student body were in-state kids. The Greek scene then was very omnipresent. Go out to the bars and meet a girl, one of the first questions she'd ask is which fraternity you were in. Go to the football games, and the block seating was dominated by the fraternities. Through block voting, they controlled campus politics. Go to class, and the guys and girls in Patagonia shorts and band party/swap shirts were all sitting together. And on and on.

As for cost, I remember during rush we had to attend some meeting and they handed out a pamphlet about cost and the average cost was more than tuition, though I think that included housing if you lived in the house. That's about the time I withdrew. I grew up relatively poor and just couldn't have asked or expected my parents to foot the bill for that. For context, I grew up in the Tuscaloosa area and had been going to frat parties for a lot of my junior and senior year of high school. And among my high school friends, all but one or two that went to Bama all got bids to fraternities or sororities, so I was very much in the Greek demographic and scene. I'm no longer friends with any of them, for whatever that is worth. Some of that is just the normal drifting away, but I also noticed a change in some of them once they got involved in their fraternity or sorority. I distinctly remember seeing one of them at a football game holding up the banner for his fraternity before kickoff and going up to speak to him and him basically telling me to go away and acting like he didn't know me. This was a guy I'd known since elementary school. I also changed in college so I don't begrudge them for that, but I was pretty hurt a guy I'd known that long wanted nothing to do with me in that moment.

I was friends with a few frat guys, but they definitely acted differently around their frat brothers than they did when they were away from them. It always seemed like they were cognizant of some image they had to uphold, especially in the presence of their brothers or other fraternity guys. I got to be good friends with one one summer when we had 2 classes together. We played golf 2 or 3 times a week, went to have beers all the time, but once fall semester started, I never saw him again.

Things like that add to the perception of Greek members being elitist, but my impression was they only acted that way when they were around each other.


EDIT - As for drugs, Bama had a pretty massive problem with drugs in my time there, or maybe it just seemed that way to me because I was immersed in it. I did a lot of drugs in my time there, mostly weed and psychedelics. But the frats were notorious for blow. There was a saying back then that Bama was a cocaine school with a football problem, or something like that. There was also a doctor at the student health center that gave out lortabs like they were candy. This was way before the opioid epidemic obviously. We'd go on Thursday, get a prescription of 60 of them and they'd be gone by Sunday night. We called them Watsons.

You go to that outdoor WSP show on campus...think it was ‘93.