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History Nerds: The most decisive battle fought since the year 1800?
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:15 pm
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:15 pm
What are your thoughts on this? We've got candidates such as:
- Austerlitz
- Trafalgar
- Leipzig
- Waterloo
- San Jacinto
- Vicksburg
- Sedan (1870)
- Tsushima Straits
- 1st Marne
- Tannenberg
- 2nd Marne
- Argonne Forest
- Midway
- 2nd El Alamein
- Stalingrad
- Kursk
- Philippine Sea
- Normandy
- Austerlitz
- Trafalgar
- Leipzig
- Waterloo
- San Jacinto
- Vicksburg
- Sedan (1870)
- Tsushima Straits
- 1st Marne
- Tannenberg
- 2nd Marne
- Argonne Forest
- Midway
- 2nd El Alamein
- Stalingrad
- Kursk
- Philippine Sea
- Normandy
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Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:16 pm to RollTide1987
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Normandy
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Midway
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Stalingrad
My three choices.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:17 pm to RollTide1987
What does Decisive mean in this context?
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:18 pm to RollTide1987
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Waterloo
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:18 pm to RollTide1987
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Portland Place, St Louis
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:19 pm to RollTide1987
By decisive do you mean the most important? Or the one with the most conclusive outcome?
Waterloo and 1st Marne would probably be the most important. The world we know today would look wildly different had those gone the other way.
Waterloo and 1st Marne would probably be the most important. The world we know today would look wildly different had those gone the other way.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:19 pm to RollTide1987
Chancellorsville was very decisive
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:19 pm to RollTide1987
Decisive in terms of outcome might be the Alamo.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:22 pm to RollTide1987
1st Marne
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:25 pm to RollTide1987
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- San Jacinto
Set in motion the US to the west coast and as the ultimate power in the western hemisphere
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:27 pm to RollTide1987
Stalingrad. If Hitler wins, the Cold War is probably between us and a Nazi dominated Europe. The USA would've went all-in on the Asian front and much of Asia (via a fully democratic China, Korea and Japan) would be America's playground to this day.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:28 pm to RollTide1987
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- Vicksburg
Well if you're including this one Gettysburg is in there too.
This post was edited on 6/29/20 at 4:41 pm
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:29 pm to RollTide1987
Dien Bien Phu was a decisive battle that changed much in the world.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:31 pm to RollTide1987
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:33 pm to RollTide1987
As far as changing the course of the biggest of wars, Stalingrad followed by Midway.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:33 pm to RollTide1987
1. Waterloo
2. Moscow
3. Trafalgar
4. 1st Marne
5. Midway
in that order IMO
2. Moscow
3. Trafalgar
4. 1st Marne
5. Midway
in that order IMO
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:37 pm to RollTide1987
As far as being the most decisive within the corresponding war, I would define that as battles where the outcome of the conflict was undetermined prior to the battle, and afterwards the conflict was either ended or one side's chances to win the war was rendered to zero. I would go with:
and
Some of the others were monumental and enormously important battles, but took place after the outcome of the war had long been decided. In other words, they hastened the end for one side, but that side was already going to lose the war. For instance:
As others ITT have stated, Germany's failure to capture Moscow would been more appropriate for this list than Stalingrad or Kursk.
First Marne and Tannenberg were too early in World War I IMO for this list. The Central Powers had many opportunities to win the war after the first Marne, and Russia's exit from World War I had more to do with its internal situation than pure military losses. Tannenberg was an enormous blow, but Russia hung around for a while after that, and kicked the hell out of the Austrians until the Bolsheviks took over and got out of the war.
For Trafalgar, I didn't include it because Napoleon had already given up on his plans to attempt an invasion of Britain before the battle. Plus, Napoleon ultimately won the war of the third coalition.
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Austerlitz
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Leipzig
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Waterloo
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Sedan (1870)
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Tsushima Straits
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Midway
Some of the others were monumental and enormously important battles, but took place after the outcome of the war had long been decided. In other words, they hastened the end for one side, but that side was already going to lose the war. For instance:
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Vicksburg
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2nd El Alamein
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Stalingrad
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Kursk
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Philippine Sea
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Normandy
As others ITT have stated, Germany's failure to capture Moscow would been more appropriate for this list than Stalingrad or Kursk.
First Marne and Tannenberg were too early in World War I IMO for this list. The Central Powers had many opportunities to win the war after the first Marne, and Russia's exit from World War I had more to do with its internal situation than pure military losses. Tannenberg was an enormous blow, but Russia hung around for a while after that, and kicked the hell out of the Austrians until the Bolsheviks took over and got out of the war.
For Trafalgar, I didn't include it because Napoleon had already given up on his plans to attempt an invasion of Britain before the battle. Plus, Napoleon ultimately won the war of the third coalition.
This post was edited on 6/29/20 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:43 pm to RollTide1987
Battle of the Atlantic.
Posted on 6/29/20 at 3:46 pm to RollTide1987
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