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re: Navy Secretary Modly Walks The Plank
Posted on 4/7/20 at 6:25 pm to Royal Tiger Fan
Posted on 4/7/20 at 6:25 pm to Royal Tiger Fan
Royal Tiger Fan, served in reactor department on Nimitz so I can only imagine what y'all are going through. My opinion isn't popular here but I think the Capt did the right thing.
I am not privy to what departments this thing was ravaging but from what I know if it was reactor you could have some serious readiness issues if 50-60 people suddenly can't stand watch or do maintenance. What is boils down to is their are core people who are vital to making that big ship run and losing certain key personnel could make trying to execute the ships mission near impossible. My gut feeling is that the Capt was getting dangerously close to that limit so reached out to get some help.
Most people here don't have any clue how close the quarters are on board. Every thing is tight. Most enlisted bearthing areas are 3 racks high in a bunk bed arrangement so there are 6 people living/sleep within about 3 feet of each other. I'm actually shocked and surprised with the incubation period for the virus that more of the crew didn't have it.
Capt did right even if it cost him his job. IMO if Trump was smart he would reinstate the Capt and put him back in command.
I am not privy to what departments this thing was ravaging but from what I know if it was reactor you could have some serious readiness issues if 50-60 people suddenly can't stand watch or do maintenance. What is boils down to is their are core people who are vital to making that big ship run and losing certain key personnel could make trying to execute the ships mission near impossible. My gut feeling is that the Capt was getting dangerously close to that limit so reached out to get some help.
Most people here don't have any clue how close the quarters are on board. Every thing is tight. Most enlisted bearthing areas are 3 racks high in a bunk bed arrangement so there are 6 people living/sleep within about 3 feet of each other. I'm actually shocked and surprised with the incubation period for the virus that more of the crew didn't have it.
Capt did right even if it cost him his job. IMO if Trump was smart he would reinstate the Capt and put him back in command.
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 6:28 pm
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 6:25 pm to Swoopin
Problem #1 was Modly overreacting. He fired the Capt, and he should've left it at that.
Problem #2 was Modly got on an airplane, flew to the other side of the planet and made a royal arse out of himself.
A Superior in the Navy, SNCO, CWO, or Officer Class would never, for example, assemble Crew, then single out a particular person, then proceed to dress down the individual with profanity. It just doesn't happen.
Problem #2 was Modly got on an airplane, flew to the other side of the planet and made a royal arse out of himself.
A Superior in the Navy, SNCO, CWO, or Officer Class would never, for example, assemble Crew, then single out a particular person, then proceed to dress down the individual with profanity. It just doesn't happen.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 6:32 pm to Royal Tiger Fan
quote:Indeed. How many copies did he send?
He sent a MFR to uniformed Naval Aviation Leadership detailing the realities of our struggle onboard.
quote:Thank you for your service. I served as an officer as well, and in that role, as a Consultant to the Surgeon General. I'm aware of command norms, and the unintended hazards of falling away from them.
- I'm obviously in the minority here, but like we tell officers all the time
Any publicly released description of Operational Readiness or lack thereof is potentially damaging. Elsewhere here, you seem to be arguing adversaries already knew your ship was dysfunctional, so your C/O was not releasing anything they'd not have already known. I suspect after reflection, you'd see the issue.
There were better ways to handle this, perhaps at all levels. But specifically in your ship's command. Being caught amidst a tough situation can fog clarity. As your crew and command deconstruct decisions which were made and analyze them, hopefully you will arrive at a better solution set for the future.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 6:33 pm to 14&Counting
Posted on 4/7/20 at 6:35 pm to omegaman66
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Are you saying it is ok to leak classified documents if it is the truth?
what a ridiculous leap.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 6:37 pm to 90proofprofessional
the entire ordeal is ridiculous and was political, amirite Braxxton?
Posted on 4/7/20 at 6:39 pm to Port Royal
quote:Agree.
Problem #1 was Modly overreacting. He fired the Capt, and he should've left it at that.
Problem #2 was Modly got on an airplane, flew to the other side of the planet and made a royal arse out of himself.
A Superior in the Navy, SNCO, CWO, or Officer Class would never, for example, assemble Crew, then single out a particular person, then proceed to dress down the individual with profanity. It just doesn't happen.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 6:40 pm to 13SaintTiger
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significance of him flying 3000 miles to shite on a fired leader whom the sailors and shipmen would obviously follow into battle without hesitation
I ask this respectfully: Did you listen to the speech? He made one sentence that stated "the captain acted stupidly". The rest of the speech explains the decision to fire him and why it was the right thing to do. That doesn't equate to flying 3000 miles to shite on a fires leader.
This post was edited on 4/7/20 at 6:42 pm
Posted on 4/7/20 at 6:40 pm to cajunangelle
You think the Skipper's actions were motivated by politics? You think the crew's reaction to him sacrificing his position was motivated by politics? Those are some pretty crucial components of the "entire ordeal".
Posted on 4/7/20 at 6:40 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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I don't disagree with his opinion about Captain Crozier. But he should have kept that shite to himself. There was no reason to get in front of Crozier's former crew and say it.
THIS
Posted on 4/7/20 at 6:42 pm to 90proofprofessional
No it isn't. The CO is responsible for letting our enemies know that his crew was not at normal battle readiness.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 6:44 pm to NC_Tigah
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 6:46 pm to omegaman66
Putting aside the worthless OPSEC fig leaf- do you really think that equates to it being okay to leak classified info simply because it is accurate? Because that's quite literally what you're suggesting.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 6:49 pm to Toddy
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He absolutely should. What he did was absolutely disgusting. I hope this follows him the rest of his life.
When were you enlisted?
Posted on 4/7/20 at 6:49 pm to UAinSOUTHAL
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Posted on 4/7/20 at 6:56 pm to Lakeboy7
quote:I had nothing to do with you, pecker.
So you were a pecker checker
You've confused me with someone else.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:00 pm to NC_Tigah
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I served as an officer as well, and in that role, as a Consultant to the Surgeon General. I'm aware of command norms, and the unintended hazards of falling away from them.
You being a consultant to a surgeon general doesn’t make you educated on command norms.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:03 pm to Lakeboy7
The Skipper has ways of reaching out when readiness is depleted or questioned, as the virus causes upheaval.
I even heard he was sick himself. The squid that wrote what you quoted is correct but should know that the way the Skipper alerted the chain of command was wrong.
There are ways that if his concern on readiness is leaked to his hometown newspaper; the person leaking would be cuffed on the spot and marched to a brig.
Someone leaked a dangerous SITREP on ships movement and readiness-period.
It stops with the Skipper period.
The Skipper was either stupid or naive is correct. He surely should not be trusted again.
I even heard he was sick himself. The squid that wrote what you quoted is correct but should know that the way the Skipper alerted the chain of command was wrong.
There are ways that if his concern on readiness is leaked to his hometown newspaper; the person leaking would be cuffed on the spot and marched to a brig.
Someone leaked a dangerous SITREP on ships movement and readiness-period.
It stops with the Skipper period.
The Skipper was either stupid or naive is correct. He surely should not be trusted again.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:04 pm to SlackMaster
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I ask this respectfully: Did you listen to the speech? He made one sentence that stated "the captain acted stupidly". The rest of the speech explains the decision to fire him and why it was the right thing to do. That doesn't equate to flying 3000 miles to shite on a fires leader.
I listened and he made an arse of himself. Those actions are not within the standards of the office his position holds. It was unnecessary and escalated the controversy.
Posted on 4/7/20 at 7:05 pm to 13SaintTiger
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