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Can Republicans argue so what Ukraine was pressured,

Posted on 1/23/20 at 7:30 pm
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
41050 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 7:30 pm
the Bidens need to be investigated and Ukraine still got their aid?
This post was edited on 1/23/20 at 7:31 pm
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
50414 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 7:34 pm to
Sure. We pressure countries to do our bidding every day of the week.

That's another joke about this. The Dems are claiming he did it for personal benefit.
Posted by Trauma14
Member since Aug 2010
5867 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 7:40 pm to
What the deep state is really upset about is that Trump is changing precedent and investigating past executives. That never really happens. Presidents and Vice presidents were supposed to be untouchable on how they made their money while in office.
Posted by viceman
Huntsville, AL
Member since Aug 2016
30688 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 7:41 pm to
Yes it can. It can also be argued that the President is in charge of the Justice Department and it is his duty to pressure the Ukraine into investigating Biden.
Posted by Diamondawg
Mississippi
Member since Oct 2006
32493 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 7:43 pm to
There should be a quid pro quo for every dollar in aid that we send over seas. If we do this (aid) then you will do that (whatever we tie the aid to). Foreign aid should come in a zero based budget starting over every year from those countries requesting aid. Every dollar should have an ear mark. If they use it for something else, then they get zero the next. It should be audited every year or so.

Personally, the only foreign aid that we spend should only be in the form of aid that ensures our national security.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
68812 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 8:01 pm to
It's absolutely in the national interest to know if a potential future president could be under the influence of foreign blackmail.

It's the exact reason that the dems wanted a special prosecutor to look at muh Russia.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
80334 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 8:25 pm to
What the whole Russia hoax and this particular charade boil down to is simply this: Donald J. Trump is an outsider. He’s already wealthy, so he can’t be bought, and thusly, can’t be trusted by the established corrupt powers-that-be. So he must be neutered at the very least, or (best case scenario) removed, so that someone more controllable (or at least beatable) can take his place, and thus restore the past status quo.

It’s like a police force of 100 that’s got 99 corrupt cops. None of them trust that one honest cop, so they do what they can to undermine, if not outright get rid of, him. By setting him up, if necessary.
Posted by Wednesday
Member since Aug 2017
15546 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 8:34 pm to
I think that’s pretty much what they’ve said all along.

Posted by Dale51
Member since Oct 2016
32378 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 9:38 pm to
quote:

and Ukraine still got their aid?


Yes.
And an investigation was never started...so what are they even going on about??
Posted by Oddibe
Close to some, further from others
Member since Sep 2015
6571 posts
Posted on 1/23/20 at 10:01 pm to
Foreign aid is the definition of “quid pro quo”. We give you money/aid and you do what we want. It’s only happened since we became a world power.
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124550 posts
Posted on 1/24/20 at 4:47 am to
quote:

Can Republicans argue so what Ukraine was pressured
Did the Obama administration via QuidProQuoJoe pressure Ukraine?
Posted by TigerMyth36
River Ridge
Member since Nov 2005
39748 posts
Posted on 1/24/20 at 8:10 am to
The whole pressure thing is ridiculous. Other than disaster aid, every piece of money we send has some caveat attached to it. Hell, they probably attack caveats to disaster aid too.

Dems have no legs on this. He did nothing Illegal and if they believe it was unethical, then they need to explain why the Obama administration using the full force of the federal government to investigate and leak information on Trump was fine, legal and ethical.

At the end of the day it is laughable to call this High Crimes and Misdemeanors. They can't even point to a broken law which is why they had to go with "Abuse" and "Obstruction" because those are subjective terms. Not high crimes.
This post was edited on 1/24/20 at 8:13 am
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99669 posts
Posted on 1/25/20 at 11:02 am to
Yes
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