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re: Trump Repeatedly Pressed Ukraine President to Investigate Biden’s Son

Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:33 pm to
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:33 pm to
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That would be unethical and illegal.

And it didn't happen.

And how do we know that?
Posted by Vacherie Saint
Member since Aug 2015
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:33 pm to
Meanwhile, he was blackmailing the Ukraine to sack the prosecutor investigating his son.
Posted by Bunyan
He/Him
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:33 pm to
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Stefan Halper is a British asset

Alexander Downer is an Australian asset

Joseph Mifsud is an asset of a Western nation (not sure which, possibly Italy)

they all were used by these governments to concoct a story that was used to pressure the US to investigate Trump

it didn't go so well, but it happened. you were a big supporter of this in real time, too.

He thinks none of that is real. Spygate is just a conspiracy theory, the FISA warrants were perfectly fine, and the dossier is completely verified.

Keep in mind, this is the same guy who fully believed in the Russia shite without ANY evidence at all
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:34 pm to
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Or, they proactively created documents to support a future effort to blackmail and/or justify improper influence.




Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:34 pm to
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and nowhere in it does he mention his son at all.

was the prosecutor (he's referencing in that video) investigating his son?

yes or no are your options
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:38 pm to
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was the prosecutor (he's referencing in that video) investigating his son?

yes or no are your options


It's not clear that when the US and UK witheld the funds from Ukraine, that, 1) the investigation was ongoing 2)If it was, if Biden even knew about it.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:38 pm to
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It's not clear that when the US and UK witheld the funds from Ukraine, that, 1) the investigation was ongoing 2)If it was, if Biden even knew about it.


Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:40 pm to
I’m pretty sure DC broke down one day and said as an African American nothing that the Republicans do or say matters to him because they’re racist

He doesn’t care about how stupid or conflicting these narratives are. They’re all he has.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:41 pm to
This should be fun
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:41 pm to
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was the prosecutor (he's referencing in that video) investigating his son?



and why would the vice president of the United States get involved and threaten to withhold a billion dollars in aide from Ukraine if a prosecutor wasn't fired? Can he point to another example where another Vice President has interjected himself in foreign matters involving corruption? Mexico is full of corruption, did Joe ever threaten to withhold aide to Mexico if a Mexican prosecutor wasn't fired?
Posted by SP
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:41 pm to

This post was edited on 9/20/19 at 4:05 pm
Posted by OTIS2
NoLA
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:41 pm to
The SOB son should be investigated. He and Sleepy were shaking down a foreign government while Joe was on the clock for us.
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
4741 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:42 pm to
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The case against Zlochevsky and his Burisma Holdings was assigned to Shokin, then a deputy prosecutor. But Shokin and others weren’t pursuing it, according to the internal reports from the Ukrainian prosecutor’s office reviewed by Bloomberg.

In a December 2014 letter, U.S. officials warned Ukrainian prosecutors of negative consequences for Ukraine over its failure to assist the U.K., which had seized Zlochevsky’s assets, according to the documents.

Those funds, $23.5 million, were unblocked in 2015 when a British court determined there wasn’t enough evidence to justify the continued freeze, in part because Ukrainian prosecutors had failed to provide the necessary information.


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Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
112738 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:43 pm to
Please cite the statute and give a reasoned legal analysis to how this is a “crime.” I’ll wait until your mom finishes microwaving your tendies.
Posted by Lg
Hayden, Alabama
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:43 pm to
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We don't know that there weren't other ways, outside of this call, for Trump/Guiliani to let Ukraine know their intention with the funds.




Oh. Now you are into speculation. I guess Biden will now know how Flynn felt when Mueller threatened to go after Flynn Jr.
Posted by shinerfan
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Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:44 pm to
So in what other countries did Uncle Joe take such an active role in replacing prosecutors? Surely it wasn't just the one investigating his son, right?
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
4741 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:44 pm to
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The U.S. plan to push for Shokin’s dismissal didn’t initially come from Biden, but rather filtered up from officials at the U.S. Embassy in Kiev, according to a person with direct knowledge of the situation. Embassy personnel had called for U.S. loan guarantees to Ukraine to be tied to broader anti-corruption efforts, including Shokin’s dismissal, this person said.
Posted by shinerfan
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Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:45 pm to
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this person said.
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56690 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:47 pm to
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DC broke down one day and said as an African American nothing that the Republicans do or say matters to him because they’re racist


Almost all of the left wing loons are who they are because they define themselves with a special interest group.

The two largest are:

* Black
* Gay

I think we'd be surprised how many of the really illogical believers fall into one of those groups. They are people who simply can't escape it.
Posted by tigerinDC09
Washington, DC
Member since Nov 2011
4741 posts
Posted on 9/20/19 at 3:47 pm to
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So in what other countries did Uncle Joe take such an active role in replacing prosecutors? Surely it wasn't just the one investigating his son, right?


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In 2014, then-Vice President Biden started serving as liaison to Eastern European governments affronted by Russia’s aggression under President Vladimir Putin. One of Biden’s projects was to encourage reform in Ukraine, a country that has long been in the international vanguard when it comes to corruption.


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