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re: Oline could be in a depth crisis, the time is now

Posted on 6/25/19 at 9:32 am to
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68587 posts
Posted on 6/25/19 at 9:32 am to
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even if cushenberry had an amazing season I don't see him playing his way into anything about the 3rd round this season. He will be here 2 more years.



Dont count on it, if he has an amazing season he has his degree, 2 years of starting at a high level. He gone
Posted by SammyTiger
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2009
67032 posts
Posted on 6/25/19 at 9:37 am to
Looking at a depth chart 2 years out without seeing your freshmen class is going to have you concerned about youth.
Posted by tandrews37
Member since Jun 2019
721 posts
Posted on 6/25/19 at 9:37 am to
that degree aint going to get him bumped up into the first round.

a 3 year starter could definitely flirt with the end of the first early 2nd.

Not to mention, gotta give O credit he got Divinity, Fehoko, Fulton and Lawrence to return. He could possibly convince Cush to stick around while they sort out his replacement.
Posted by The Pirate King
Pangu
Member since May 2014
57960 posts
Posted on 6/25/19 at 9:45 am to
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Posters on this board are so damn dramatic


Posters on the rant too for that matter
Posted by thunderbird1100
GSU Eagles fan
Member since Oct 2007
68587 posts
Posted on 6/25/19 at 10:20 am to
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that degree aint going to get him bumped up into the first round.





I'm sure he could care less, no center is likely to go 1st round anyways.

quote:

a 3 year starter could definitely flirt with the end of the first early 2nd.



Oh yeah, no way a 2 year starter gets drafted which is probably all he would care about.

How many players have we seen make the jump and go 3rd, 4th, 5th, undrafted, etc...

Those other guys aren't really relevant here you mentioned, Cush will have his degree not sure any of those guys do. Maybe Fehoko or Fulton, which neither had been a 2 year starter here at that point though. Big difference, he'd be done with school with a good body of work on tape. Both Fehoko and Fulton, even with degrees, missed a decent bit of time even in their 1 year starting so far. Not much tape on either.
This post was edited on 6/25/19 at 10:23 am
Posted by BayouCowboy
Member since Dec 2012
14524 posts
Posted on 6/25/19 at 10:32 am to
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T
Dare Rosenthal 6-7 320 so
Cameron Wire 6-6 295 jr
----Camron Jackson 6-5 285 fr
Jacori Savage 6-6 300 sr

Didn't Wire RS? If so, he'd be a RS SO in 2020. He's currently listed as a FR on the LSU sports roster.
Posted by mgdtiger
Member since May 2006
2860 posts
Posted on 6/25/19 at 12:40 pm to
Charles turner is already an oline. Played there in spring and listed as one on roster. He is a guy who if he can put weight on and get stronger has big potential. Can be any position from center to lt. has the arm length of a tackle played center. Can he put the weight on? Will be 2 years for him. Parker is all te now. Even losing weight to be better suited for te.
Posted by Ragin Tiger1
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2018
960 posts
Posted on 6/25/19 at 12:58 pm to
How much less could he care exactly?
Posted by TexasTiger24
Houston
Member since Feb 2019
2308 posts
Posted on 6/25/19 at 2:52 pm to
Anthony Bradford will be a great RT
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 6/25/19 at 2:58 pm to
We can always get bodies. We need quality.
Posted by ByrdRBJG7
Member since Nov 2018
151 posts
Posted on 6/25/19 at 3:35 pm to
Saw Ray Parker when we scrimmaged Ruston last year in pre season, he looked 275 easy then, looked like he had the frame to add 20 lbs easily. I see no way he's 235
Posted by Tigers eyes
Member since Nov 2018
2649 posts
Posted on 6/25/19 at 4:51 pm to
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this is 2020.

According to this, we will have 9 olinemen returning for the 2021 class. That's 5 starters and 4 reserves. Most Oline's only 7 get significant playing time during the season, barring injury. This doesn't include players signed in the 2021 class. That isn't a crisis. The only crisis there is olinemen that aren't any good and injuries. For the 2017 season LSU was forced to start 2 and 3 true freshmen at one time. That's a crisis. But those freshmen played pretty good. This isn't the class they need to get oline. Dline this class is more important. Not only quantity, they need quality dline this class.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39940 posts
Posted on 6/25/19 at 5:02 pm to
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a 3 year starter could definitely flirt with the end of the first early 2nd.

Ability is what gets a guy drafted in the first round, not years of starting.

If he starts at LSU another 10 years but gets no better he’s not getting drafted higher.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
30536 posts
Posted on 6/25/19 at 7:09 pm to
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According to this, we will have 9 olinemen returning for the 2021 class. That's 5 starters and 4 reserves. Most Oline's only 7 get significant playing time during the season, barring injury. This doesn't include players signed in the 2021 class. That isn't a crisis


I see what you are saying but I want to reply, respectfully.

This is where guys like Damone and I get a bad rep. I do not personally care, and I assume he doesn’t either. But the following is not being a negatiger. But look at Alabama’s starting line.

LT: Alex Leatherwood, Pierce Quick/Amari Kight
LG: Deonte Brown/Emil Ekiyor Jr.
C: Chris Owens/Emil Ekiyor Jr.
RG: Matt Womack, Scott Lashley
RT: Jedrick Wills, Evan Neal/Tommy Brown


So respectfully, this is where the flaw is in your thinking:

There are 11 players for Alabama. These guys will all play because Alabama will blow out some lesser competiton. These second and third stringers will get reps and in a year or two be able to start WHERE THEY WONT BE RELYING on incoming freshman to come in and save the day.

Recruiting four and five stars is good. But recruiting Should really be thought of as providing men to play in two or three years. Not starting right away. If you rely on high school seniors to have to come in and provide depth in their true frosh year, you haven’t recruited well in years prior

It happens sometimes on the lines and quite a bit in skill positions. But if you have upperclassmen fighting eachither for starting roles you’ll have a better year. If frosh are in the mix on the line, trouble may loom.
This post was edited on 6/25/19 at 7:12 pm
Posted by husslemane
Member since Oct 2014
1321 posts
Posted on 6/25/19 at 7:29 pm to
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These guys will all play because Alabama will blow out some lesser competiton. These second and third stringers will get reps and in a year or two be able to start WHERE THEY WONT BE RELYING on incoming freshman to come in and save the day. 


Great point. There have been tons of games over the years that while we won, were closer than they should have been. As a result, our key guys are playing late in gamed while younger guys should and could have been getting live game reps.
Posted by PurpleandGeauld
Florence, TX
Member since Oct 2013
5193 posts
Posted on 6/25/19 at 7:46 pm to
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If you rely on high school seniors to have to come in and provide depth in their true frosh year, you haven’t recruited well in years prior
That isn't always the case. You can recruit well but then lose good young talent to the transfer portal.
Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
Member since Oct 2007
9125 posts
Posted on 6/26/19 at 2:17 am to
But we don’t have incoming freshman starting and we won’t for a good while unless that freshman is just too good to put on the field.

Dude relax these coaches know what they have and who is doing what in the development stage. We have no clue even from small practice videos we aren’t given anything worth a darn. Some players might take a few reps to get warmed up and then explode when things get serious. Some may have been told not to show anything while cameras are on them? We don’t know.

Here’s something else we aren’t privileged to know is just how many people they have identified as back up plans and just how good those players will become or develop into. I know one thing, this staff has been recruiting the OL and DL hard while not always getting exactly who they want, they’re trying and it will pay off at some point. Hopefully that’s sooner than later. I doubt this staff will just let holes develop instead of getting someone they feel can at least develop into a solid player. GT
Posted by Tigers eyes
Member since Nov 2018
2649 posts
Posted on 6/26/19 at 3:39 am to
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I doubt this staff will just let holes develop instead of getting someone they feel can at least develop into a solid player. GT

I don't think people realize just how good our returning olinmen are. I mean, even after the injuries, all the missed assignments, the shuffling around that oline still paved the way for a 1000yard rusher and a 2500 yard passer. But yea, I agree, this staff knows what they have and what they need. Might not get some that they want, but they will get a lot that they want. The way Kardell has slimmed down he looks dead serious about this season. And I've heard very good things about Bradford. O said he is a beast, or something like that. I think the Oline will be much better this season.
Posted by BigDaddy5151
Alexandria
Member since Dec 2013
584 posts
Posted on 6/26/19 at 7:48 am to
Hines is practicing at center. Smith did not pan out. he gone.

not good news just news.
Posted by dstone12
Texan
Member since Jan 2007
30536 posts
Posted on 6/26/19 at 7:56 am to
Just an observation.


Georgia has the best Oline in college football.


They got guys two years ago like5 stars Jemaree Salyer, trey hill Cade Mays and another four star center.
Then last year like Clay Webb, Truss and McClendon the year before. Who knows, Webb may start by game 6. I doubt he over takes hill though. He is waiting in line as a back up guard. Meanwhile they have two top rated tackles committed and it sounds like van Pran coming in.

Georgia is loading their line not so these guys can start, but get bigger, Learn the playbook and Ideally redshirt. Then by 2022x these freshman will be true hogs.


They will have a top 5 Oline for three years. Not guaranteed. But I’m certain that it will be good.

They are keeping in state talent . And for whatever reason, they don’t have guys saying that they desperately want to leave the state of Georgia as their explanation.

We don’t have a good track record. Miles kept promising Oline, but he failed.



This post was edited on 6/26/19 at 7:59 am
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