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re: For those who are pro choice: At what point do you feel a fetus becomes a human being?

Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:25 am to
Posted by Dr Hawkenbush
Iowa
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:25 am to
Some passing thoughts:
As a Physician who has thoroughly studied embryology and human development I have NO IDEA when Human Life begins.
As a Devote Christian I have NO IDEA when the SOUL enters the body.
More than half of the fertilizations do not go on to a live birth, that is even without elective abortions.
There are many conditions in which the fetus may develop a heart beat, yet be incapable of surviving outside the womb.
Terminating the life of a living individual, or one capable of independent life, is murder.
If a Woman/Family is ever faced with the situation where they must consider the possibility of terminating a pregnancy, they should seek guidance from their God and their Doctor. They shouldn't have to consult with the Government!
When you put the Government power of saying who can or can't have an Abortion, you also give them the power to, at some time in the future, say who MUST have an abortion! Welcome to Eugenics and Germany 1935!
We need to keep the Government out of this as much as possible!
If I as a very well educated Physician don't know when LIFE begins, I refuse to be told when LIFE begins by a bunch of people whose last exposure to any science, let alone any biological science, was giggling through Sex Ed in 6th Grade!!!
This post was edited on 5/15/19 at 1:19 pm
Posted by tigerskin
Member since Nov 2004
40642 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:38 am to
I am a physician that studied embryology as well. Life starts at conception. Sure some don’t make it due to defects. Some don’t make it outside the womb long due to defects as well. It was still human life.
Posted by cahoots
Member since Jan 2009
9134 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:41 am to
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More than half of the fertilizations do not go on to a live birth, that is even without elective abortions.



I feel like this doesn't get discussed enough. For the record, I'm definitely more in the undecided camp on early stage abortions.

I hear people say that God or Allah or whatever compels them to believe that life begins at conception. However, it would seem strange that so many of those conceived do not actually pull through. It's weird to think that God would intend for that to happen, but then also feel as though mothers shouldn't have any say.
Posted by bfniii
Member since Nov 2005
17840 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 11:57 am to
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I have NO IDEA when the SOLE enters the body
there is no personhood gap between parents and offspring. Personhood begins at conception. All of the constituents necessary for personhood are present at that moment
Posted by 93and99
Dayton , Oh / Allentown , Pa
Member since Dec 2018
14400 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 12:08 pm to
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We need to keep the Government out of this as much as possible!


Yep , stop stealing my tax money and giving it to Planned Parenthood.
Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
18824 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 12:08 pm to
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As a Physician


quote:

the SOLE enters the body.


I know y’all aren’t spelling experts, but come on man
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
40859 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 12:11 pm to
I don't really think the fight should be over when the fetus is considered human enough to proceed or not proceed. The fact of the matter is, it's human DNA, has the potential given all of the right circumstances to grow into a human baby. It's not like there is some alien xenomorph growing in the womans belly and will be the scurge of the earth. It human regardless of any timeline you give it.

Trying to determine a timeline of viability, humanity, or whatever label you want to give it, is subjective. It's open to interpretation. As much so as a offensive foul is in basketball. Or PI in football. When in fact you can't debate genetics, it's human 100%.
Posted by Hogssmellgood
Hog in Vol land
Member since Nov 2012
2111 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 12:51 pm to
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As a Devote Christian I have NO IDEA when the SOLE enters the body.


Probably when they develop a foot
Posted by AggieHank86
Texas
Member since Sep 2013
42941 posts
Posted on 5/15/19 at 5:18 pm to
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If I as a very well educated Physician don't know when LIFE begins, I refuse to be told when LIFE begins by a bunch of people whose last exposure to any science, let alone any biological science, was giggling through Sex Ed in 6th Grade!!!
Bravo.
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