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re: Somebody help me out here - how can a substantial portion of America vote DEM?
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:18 am to ChineseBandit58
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:18 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:Spoiler Alert: You don't have to be DEM to 'hate Trump.'
Is it all just 'hate Trump,' and if so, what is the basis of the hatred?
Here's the basis for my hatred:
Lifelong buddies with the Clintons and the establishment.
Signed a bill to extend and expand government surveillance on its citizens
Is currently helping the Saudis commit genocide in Yemen
Is currently picking up the establishment agenda in the Middle East and running with it. (See Yemen. See recent deployment in Afghanistan).
Continues to fatten up the MIC with my tax dollars.
Continues to surround himself with establishment pillars like John Bolton and Rudy Giuliani, etc.
Signaled he is fully on board with the establishment by appointing cuck Jerome Powell to head the Federal Reserve.
He's an embarrassment to my country every time he opens his mouth, and involves himself on social media platform designed to excite junior high Drama Queens.
Plays along with establishment propaganda at every turn.
I could go on, but you get the point.
quote:I can't either. But then again, I cannot think of anything at all that would motivate any American to want REPUBLICANS in control.
For the life of me, I cannot think of anything at all that would motivate any American to want DEMOCRATs in control.
quote:Who said propaganda doesn't work?
Which leads me to believe all this is about ANTI-American heritage, history, and civilization.
quote:And it never will as long as you willingly follow along with the establishment game of left vs. right.
Nothing else makes any sense at all
P.S. I'm sure this post will be ignored and/or downvoted because there are only a handful who post here that are capable of discussing these issues like an adult.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:20 am to xiv
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TRUMP hatred is the only thing that can be articulated
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Willful ignorance. There are plenty of reasons to vote Democrat. You and I just don’t like those reasons so much as some people do.
hmm - I am asking for someone to actually ARTICULATE on of their reasons to "VOTE BLUE" this election - and the ONLY response I have gotten is from a (presumably) conservative poster = ABORTION RIGHTs.
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There are plenty of reasons to vote Democrat.
Name one are two if you will - please. You don't have to provide a full discourse - just a note or two of what the DEMs will do about that particular 'reason'
T.l.A.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:24 am to Antonio Moss
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From a per capita standpoint, it skews heaily towards black Louisianans.
So what? Are you saying that blacks shouldn't be able to utilize government benefits just as white people do?
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:25 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:Well that’s not what you originally asked; I answered your original question.
just a note or two of what the DEMs will do
As far as what they will DO...not much. That’s why they lose more often than not. Their promises sound way better than the GOP’s do, but their performance is notoriously subpar.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:26 am to mmmmmbeeer
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The irony of a bunch of Southerners from poor states, states receiving FAR more federal tax dollars back than they put in, complaining about "freebies" is not lost on those of us with a functioning brain.
the socialists and geeks in NYC and SF bay pay the freight in us taxes to make up the southern shortfall. All those bases in south come with price paid by Democrats.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:27 am to BRTigerDad
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So what? Are you saying that blacks shouldn't be able to utilize government benefits just as white people do?
What the hell?
You sound desperate.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:28 am to xiv
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Well that’s not what you originally asked; I answered your original question.
As far as what they will DO...not much.
Maybe my intent outpaced my verbiage.
I really wanted it to be a discussion thread - not a listing of platitudes and broad themes that there is no dispute about.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:29 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:Well, then I'd hope your insurance policy is paid up, because 100% of braggarts like Trump are full of shite, and are braggarts for the sole purpose of distracting you from that fact.
If I was in an airplane with a disabled flight crew, I'd choose a whore-mongering, braggart who just happened to know how to fly the plane to a safe landing
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:32 am to CelticDog
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the socialists and geeks in NYC and SF bay pay the freight in us taxes to make up the southern shortfall. All those bases in south come with price paid by Democrats.
Are you arguing against the need for the bases themselves? or just their location.
Does NYC and SF really want military bases within their jurisdictions just to 'get some of that FED $$$ ??'
Do you have thousands of sq miles of maneuver area for artillery practice or air-to-ground training? - or do you think those things are a waste of money and what would be a better expenditure is to strangle industries that emit CO2??
Just curious as to your thinking here.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:32 am to ChineseBandit58
What are you looking for here? I mean, Republicans and Democrats are usually on opposite sides of the healthcare debate. So that's one huge issue.
Defense is another. Republicans want a blank check for the military. Democrats generally do not favor increases (or favor decreases).
Environment. Democrats generally support things like CAFE. Republicans often do not.
Defense is another. Republicans want a blank check for the military. Democrats generally do not favor increases (or favor decreases).
Environment. Democrats generally support things like CAFE. Republicans often do not.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:33 am to ChineseBandit58
To date, he hasn't done anything that hurts either party.
Tax cuts, hasn't killed a single person and grandparents aren't eating catfood.
He hasn't touched entitlements.
He has cut taxes, slashed regulations most of which the average person has no clue what they were or what they did.
It's hate for no other reason than he is the other side.
Tax cuts, hasn't killed a single person and grandparents aren't eating catfood.
He hasn't touched entitlements.
He has cut taxes, slashed regulations most of which the average person has no clue what they were or what they did.
It's hate for no other reason than he is the other side.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:34 am to TX Tiger
At least you actually listed policy reasons and actions instead of emotional feels
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:34 am to cahoots
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What are you looking for here? I mean, Republicans and Democrats are usually on opposite sides of the healthcare debate. So that's one huge issue.
Defense is another. Republicans want a blank check for the military. Democrats generally do not favor increases (or favor decreases).
Environment. Democrats generally support things like CAFE. Republicans often do not.
Yes - those are the types of things I'd like to see discussed - not only here, but on the CAMPAIGN trail. \
I have seen no DEM campaigning on the specifics of what they would want to do to address those issues in a manner that could be analyzed by an informed voter.
Have you???
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:40 am to td01241
quote:Let's see if the OP responds to actual reasons, or will he prove my point and only respond to those fellow posters who aren't capable of discussing anything other than left vs. right.
At least you actually listed policy reasons and actions instead of emotional feels
I'm not holding my breath.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:52 am to ChineseBandit58
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Yes - those are the types of things I'd like to see discussed - not only here, but on the CAMPAIGN trail. \
I have seen no DEM campaigning on the specifics of what they would want to do to address those issues in a manner that could be analyzed by an informed voter.
Have you???
Are you new to politics? Identity politics is where we've been for a while across the board
This post was edited on 10/30/18 at 10:52 am
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:56 am to ChineseBandit58
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So what are your approaches to remedying that problem - nobody disagrees.
Medicare for All - obviously
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We have always had Emergency Care where no questions are asked = you get treated for exigent problems.
Not until EMTALA did we have that guaranteed.
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The problem with making it "free"
Nobody's saying to make it free.
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Details are important here
I agree - which is why it's more than a little disappointing that you don't seem to have researched any.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 10:57 am to alphaandomega
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Why should I have to pay for someone else? Why are they not responsible for themselves.
You pay for someone else either way, I'd just prefer we do it in a more efficient manner.
Though to the larger point, perhaps someday you'll realize it's not all about you.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 11:26 am to ChineseBandit58
My experience:
My Dad voted Democrat - (he has passed away) - He was lazy and a narcissist. He would always take advantage of whatever was free even if he didn't need it. He was also racist.
My Father in law - (also passed away) - He was progressive liberal. Had a hard time with God. He had a real disgust for rich people. He was a retired school teacher.
Black friends from High School. It's like they live under this cloud of victim hood. Very nice people by the way.
My Dad voted Democrat - (he has passed away) - He was lazy and a narcissist. He would always take advantage of whatever was free even if he didn't need it. He was also racist.
My Father in law - (also passed away) - He was progressive liberal. Had a hard time with God. He had a real disgust for rich people. He was a retired school teacher.
Black friends from High School. It's like they live under this cloud of victim hood. Very nice people by the way.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 11:30 am to TX Tiger
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Spoiler Alert: You don't have to be DEM to 'hate Trump.'
Here's the basis for my hatred:
Lifelong buddies with the Clintons and the establishment.
Signed a bill to extend and expand government surveillance on its citizens
Is currently helping the Saudis commit genocide in Yemen
Is currently picking up the establishment agenda in the Middle East and running with it. (See Yemen. See recent deployment in Afghanistan).
Continues to fatten up the MIC with my tax dollars.
Continues to surround himself with establishment pillars like John Bolton and Rudy Giuliani, etc.
Signaled he is fully on board with the establishment by appointing cuck Jerome Powell to head the Federal Reserve.
He's an embarrassment to my country every time he opens his mouth, and involves himself on social media platform designed to excite junior high Drama Queens.
Plays along with establishment propaganda at every turn.
I could go on, but you get the point.
I have conceded that the only thing that motives DEMOCRATs that they are willing to articulate is their hatred for Trump. I will not debate any of your reasons = many are silly = more are inaccurate = but not woth spending time on. I agree - DEMOCRATs in this midterm are motivated by Trump hatred.
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For the life of me, I cannot think of anything at all that would motivate any American to want DEMOCRATs in control.
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I can't either. But then again, I cannot think of anything at all that would motivate any American to want REPUBLICANS in control.
I dont want the GOPe in control either - but I'd rather them than the DEMOCRAT party which is intent on 'fundamentally changing America" into something totally foreign to our founding, our history, our experiences.
I am a conservative - not a Republican - I only vote that way because it is the most effective, diametrically opposite to socialism, option that I have on election day.
The conservative motive is to maintain our constitution. DEMOCRATs for the past 40 years have been chipping away at the constitution via the SCOTUS. Which is why my number ONE touchstone for those past 40 years is = "who will appoint constitutionally devoted judges for the SCOTUS." Unfortunately, the GOPe has not been completely satisfactory in that regard - allowing a great number of milquetoasts onto the court who can be persuaded by current social fads.
No justice appointed by a DEMOCRAT president in my memory has ever been anything but a radical left wing activist. I can tell you with close to 100% certainty how every DEM appointed justice will rule on any issue that involves 'social justice' - regardless of the merits of the case. And I am not a student of the law - just an observer of the political scene.
So apart from constitutional government, people should vote for GOP (conservative) government if they want to preserve our defense status. As I said before - I am more than anxious to discuss ridding the defense budgets of overspending, corruption, and overlap = IF, and only if, the same examination of all other Federal agencies is subjected to the same criteria.
I don't want the DEMs to conduct a raiding party on the the defense appropriations just so waste on their pie-in-the-sky social justice desires.
People should want GOP (conservatives) in control if they want to maintain capitalism - keep a strong economy - expand the middle class - reduce the welfare drain - control our borders - protect religious freedom - protect free speech = i.e. all the constitutional protections.
The current DEMOCRAT party is controlled by perverse anti-American ideologues. Their motive seems to be = first destroy America as it exists and create a new 'workers' paradise' in its ashes = same recipe that has been used by socialists in the past from Lenin on down.
People should vote for GOP (conservatives) if they want to protect the nuclear family as the model going forward as the basis of our civilization. Every major initiative the DEMOCRAT party has implemented has been to undermine the prominence of a nuclear family as the backbone of our society. They have all but forced the black male out of the family unit for huge swaths of the black community.
I have numerous reasons why GOP (conservative) governance should be preferable to anything the DEMOCRATs have offered in the past 40 years., but I am pretty sure this falls under tl:dr already - if you want more give and take on any issue I am ready.
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Who said propaganda doesn't work?
Propaganda does work - and represents driving force behind the bulk of DEMOCRAT support.
Methinks, however, that you are confusing TRUTH and RATIONALE as 'propaganda' while adoring real PROPAGANDA as accurate representation.
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I'm sure this post will be ignored and/or downvoted because there are only a handful who post here that are capable of discussing these issues like an adult.
Well, at least you posted some stuff worth responding to, not much insight shown by you, but better than nothing.
Posted on 10/30/18 at 11:32 am to ChineseBandit58
Free stuff and unicorns/rainbows.
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