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re: What to do with $250K

Posted on 9/17/18 at 2:14 pm to
Posted by NorthTiger
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Posted on 9/17/18 at 2:14 pm to
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I'm guessing the 85k also includes the mortgage which he could pay off. That would free up 20k+ a year in spending


You are correct. With a pension that includes Soc Sec our annual income would be $102K. The $85K in expenses includes the mortgage payment. I also have $75,000 in cash reserve.. My estimated annual budget (expenditures) for the next 3-4 years is right at $85K/annually with the mortgage or $67K without the mortgage. So I would have a gap of $35K between income and expenses now if I paid off the mortgage

Posted by Engineer
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Posted on 9/17/18 at 4:17 pm to
Does that include some heavy loan payments or something? Seems like a lot of expenses for a retired couple.
Posted by NorthTiger
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Posted on 9/17/18 at 5:12 pm to
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Does that include some heavy loan payments or something? Seems like a lot of expenses for a retired couple.


The annual $67K breaks down to about $5,600/mo. I would be debt free if I paid off the house.

The biggest items are a 0% interest on a car note of $500, health related: insurance/medication/Drs/long term health ins $1,700, utilities $500 and groceries/eating out $1,000 and $400 in contributions. That’s $4,100 of it right there.

I never said I had a tight budget. What seems like a comfortable budget seems like it would have a lot of cushion if I freed up an extra $1,500 by paying off the house.
Posted by Costanza
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 9/17/18 at 5:46 pm to
I'd pay it off. Can't put no dollar sign on peace of mind. Plus the extra wiggle you'd get in your monthly budget won't hurt anything.

Think of it this way, if the house were paid off now, would you go borrow against it to have that amount in cash (to invest or otherwise)? That's the same question asked a different way.

Good luck.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 9/17/18 at 6:10 pm to
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Everything is paid off except a mortgage that is just under 4%. I owe $190K on the House and my monthly note is $1,498.
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The mortgage has 20 years remaining on it so it’s not like I’ll pay it off any time soon.
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I refinanced several years back and now have 25 years remaining on the mortgage. In other words, I’ll never pay it off.
So do you have 20 years to remaining on the mortgage or 25 years?

Either way, with a < 4% rate, the mortgage payments should be well less than $1498.00 per month, at least $350.00 less per month.

So unless you're using your monthly escrow (e.g., PMI which can likely be dropped if you have it; homeowner's insurance which you'll have to pay anyways; and/or property taxes which you'll have to pay anyways), the figures don't add up.
This post was edited on 9/17/18 at 6:17 pm
Posted by NorthTiger
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Posted on 9/17/18 at 6:25 pm to
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So unless you're using your monthly escrow (e.g., PMI which can likely be dropped if you have it; homeowner's insurance which you'll have to pay anyways; and/or property taxes which you'll have to pay anyways), then figures don't add up.


Good point. The monthly note does include insurance and property tax which are $425.

Posted by Oenophile Brah
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Posted on 9/17/18 at 6:49 pm to
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The biggest items are a 0% interest on a car note of $500, health related: insurance/medication/Drs/long term health ins $1,700, utilities $500 and groceries/eating out $1,000 and $400 in contributions. That’s $4,100 of it right there.

That's a pretty high debt load for a retiree, in my opinion. I'm curious how much more time you have on that vehicle. That plus $400/mo on "contributions", is that for your pension and would go away at retirement?

I would consider paying off the mortgage in a 5-10 year time frame while keeping a larger portion of the property gains invested. You could throw $30-50k down at the time of sale to move further down the amortization schedule and pay extra every month or year to meet the 5-10 year schedule. This plan gives you a little time to get accustomed to your new retirement spending lifestyle. I also would probably work another year or two to pay off the vehicle and drive it until the wheels fall off. That $500/mo would piss me off.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 9/17/18 at 8:26 pm to
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I also would probably work another year or two to pay off the vehicle and drive it until the wheels fall off. That $500/mo would piss me off.
If he actually got a 0% interest loan, then why would he work to pay off?
Posted by player711
Member since Jun 2006
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Posted on 9/17/18 at 10:15 pm to
I’m going to sound like a sales person, but so be it...
There are alternatives besides CDs, Annuities, and Bonds.
Mainly it is with alternative Asset Backed Lending strategies, Real Estate Funds that are secured by collateral or life settlements .
It can be used for cash flow/income or for growth or appreciation.
This is also very low risk. It’s not risk free, but it has less risk than Wall Street with passive investments.
I do this for a living so I won’t pitch you anymore. Hope you get good info.???
Posted by player711
Member since Jun 2006
285 posts
Posted on 9/17/18 at 10:20 pm to
Why don’t you use your assets ($250k) or others to get an income stream to pay down debt. Or just use it to get more income?
For education-google The Garmax Group. They run a diversified debt fund that pays a fixed interest rate to people that lend money to them. It is a cash flow model.

Yes-I know them-
I’m personally invested.
If you do not think outside the box please don’t do reach out-
Just sharing ????
Posted by Oenophile Brah
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Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 9/18/18 at 9:21 am to
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If he actually got a 0% interest loan, then why would he work to pay off?

$500/mo is 1/3 of his current mortgage payment. When I'm heading into retirement, I want as much cash flow flexibility as I can get. Especially at the beginning. OP could potentially invest a large chunk of the property sale to build a greater retirement income. If the vehicle is paid off, that is $500/mo that can be used to speed up the mortgage payment.

On whole, the OP is carrying more debt then I would be comfortable with in retirement.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 9/18/18 at 5:22 pm to
A paid-for house is worth it's weight in gold.

Having a roof over your head with only have to pay for utilities and taxes is serious peace of mind.

Just my opinion.
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 9/18/18 at 5:24 pm to
Also, I haven't read the whole thread but saw you have $85k annual in COL expenses. At 65, I figure it's just you and the wife? That's a damn high number for you with only a $1500/mth mortgage. Where's all your money going?
Posted by Meauxjeaux
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Posted on 9/18/18 at 5:26 pm to
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They run a diversified debt fund that pays a fixed interest rate to people that lend money to them. It is a cash flow model.


Be sure to ask for Mr Madoff when you call.
Posted by lynxcat
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 9/18/18 at 5:51 pm to
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$85k annual in COL expenses


Agreed...that number seems very high for someone in retirement. It should be closer to half that for 2 people.
Posted by NorthTiger
Upper 40
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/18/18 at 8:28 pm to
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$85k annual in COL expenses Agreed...that number seems very high for someone in retirement. It should be closer to half that for 2 people.


Okay, I’ll lay out our high expenditure retirement budget that comes out to $85K annually with an income of $102

$1,498 mortgage (25 more years)
$825 Grocery Store
$600 Health Insurance
$489 Car note (0% interest paid off in 18 more months)
$350 Personal/Entertainment
$300 Utilities
$300 Resturants
$300 Gasolne
$300 Drs
$350 Prescriptions
$350 Donations
$250 Phone/Direct TV/Internet bundle
$200 Clothes
$277 Vehicle Insurance
$187 Lng term Health Insurance

I also have budgeted $600/month to go to savings for things like season tickets, small trips. There’s another $400 that goes for small things like yard, haircuts etc

So, I have $600 extra for savings now. By paying off the mortgage I would just have more for trips and unexpected expenses. Also, I’m looking at that cushion to slowly be consumed by cost of living increases.




Posted by Costanza
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 9/18/18 at 8:49 pm to
Pay it off and take two huge trips a year with the freed up money. You made it man, time to enjoy, and check some boxes.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 9/18/18 at 8:50 pm to
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Agreed...that number seems very high for someone in retirement. It should be closer to half that for 2 people.


How could two people retire and do anything on 45K a year even in a low cost of living area with a paid for house, might as well keep working there would be no point in retiring? I know tons of retired people in there 60s, 70s, 80s, and none of them are sitting home watching wheel of fortune, people are staying healthy longer and doing more.
Posted by NorthTiger
Upper 40
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 9/18/18 at 9:27 pm to
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ow could two people retire and do anything on 45K a year even in a low cost of living area with a paid for house, might as well keep working there would be no point in retiring? I know tons of retired people in there 60s, 70s, 80s, and none of them are sitting home watching wheel of fortune, people are staying healthy longer and doing more.


Yeah, I’m not sure how this got off track with a focus on my expenditures. My budget let’s me afford the ridiculous price of LSU season tickets and an RV pass. My wife and I like camping. My rig has a value of about $40K so it’s not like I’m a high roller but I plan on seeing parts of this country I’ve never seen over the next 10 years. This is the first and only time I will come into $250K so I want to use it wisely. If I was younger I would be focused on building as much income as I could. My main desire now is to live after having worked for 40 years.

You guys have been a big help. Thank you.
Posted by player711
Member since Jun 2006
285 posts
Posted on 9/18/18 at 10:18 pm to
You are very ignorant. Where do you invest?
Before you judge a book by its cover-think before you speak..
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