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re: Have historically black colleges outlived their purpose?
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:22 am to younger now
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:22 am to younger now
quote:
PRIMARY purpose was to keep little white boys and girls from having to face the horrors of being educated while sitting next to little black girls and boys.
the primary purpose was to not subject the kids to the culcha of a certain demographic. 
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Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:27 am to Hammertime
quote:oh man.... these numbers remind me of the great afreaux thread where he got slammed so hard, he quit posting under that name.
Except where there are no viable options within a reasonable distance. They should be forced to downsize if their graduation rates are low, and people have no other option
Perfect example is SUNO vs UNO
Six year grad rate (total # of enrolled currently):
UNO = 35.8% (7,980)
SUNO = 16.1% (2,715)
LA average = 44.7%
UNO definitely has the facilities to handle another 2700 students. The semester before Katrina, UNO had 17,300 students. SUNO is across the street from UNO property.
Did I hear right? Southern University @ N.O has a 5% graduation rate?
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:27 am to Hammertime
Realistically, UNO should absorb SUNO. But again, it'll never happen because no politician is going to stick his or her neck out for that. I can't even imagine what that type of legislation would even include to appease everyone -- it would be a bloated, disjointed Frankenstein bill.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:30 am to crazyLSUstudent
quote:
My question is if you are a young black man or woman why would you attend an HBCU.
Cliff Huxstable attended Hillman.
Historically black fictional college.
He's a role model.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:31 am to younger now
quote:are racist.
historically black colleges
/thread.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:46 am to ibldprplgld
It would be a major benefit to both UNO and SUNO. UNO gets more tuition money, and SUNO students get to use UNO facilities, teachers, and courses of study.
The problem with that is SUNO would have the same admission standards as UNO, and SUNO administrators and teachers would be subject to firings for poor performance and fraud
The problem with that is SUNO would have the same admission standards as UNO, and SUNO administrators and teachers would be subject to firings for poor performance and fraud
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:48 am to younger now
a loooong fricking time ago.......
the fact that suno stays open is outright theft from the taxpayers of LA
the fact that suno stays open is outright theft from the taxpayers of LA
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:55 am to Hammertime
quote:
It would be a major benefit to both UNO and SUNO. UNO gets more tuition money, and SUNO students get to use UNO facilities, teachers, and courses of study.
The problem with that is SUNO would have the same admission standards as UNO, and SUNO administrators and teachers would be subject to firings for poor performance and fraud
So what you're saying is that blacks are clinging to segregation in a situation that is separate and clearly not equal?
I'm shocked, absolutely shocked I tell you!
It does beg the question though: if you are black, and go to a HBCU, pay money/take out loans to go to a shitty school, to have shitty teachers, and [maybe] get a shitty degree that has no value...are you any better off than not going to college at all?
Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:05 am to choupiquesushi
They don't really take that much money from the state. IIRC, it was only something like $19MM. Now granted it should be zero, but comparatively speaking, it's not that much.
College's budgets are primarily made up of tuition, and they lie about legislative budget cuts affecting their school activities. I spoke to the Prevost of UNO, and he told me there has never been a budget problem there or at any other college in the UL system. They just raise tuition to more than cover lost state money. Budgets, including LSU's, have been increasing every year due to increasing tuition
College's budgets are primarily made up of tuition, and they lie about legislative budget cuts affecting their school activities. I spoke to the Prevost of UNO, and he told me there has never been a budget problem there or at any other college in the UL system. They just raise tuition to more than cover lost state money. Budgets, including LSU's, have been increasing every year due to increasing tuition
Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:06 am to younger now
Should be against the law for any public school to be completely predicated on segregation. This 2018 for Chrissakes.
That said, private schools are private and can do what they want, ie Xavier, Dillard, etc.
That said, private schools are private and can do what they want, ie Xavier, Dillard, etc.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:09 am to tigahbruh
Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:14 am to StupidBinder
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The whole premise of this thread is kind of weird. Why would you want to get rid of a school just because it’s an HBCU
Because, at least in Louisiana, they are all in cities/towns that have major universities and coupled with their extremely low graduation rates don’t justify the public funds of a cash strapped state that can basically only cut funding for education and health.
Or racism depending on who you ask.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:18 am to younger now
I think you’ve outlived your purpose as a poster.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:22 am to CarRamrod
Well, a lot of these students at these HBCU’s enroll in classes to collect a refund check and never even go to class. Their intention was never to graduate in the first place. Then they bitch about having to pay the loans back.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:36 am to Deactived
I will offer a counterpoint to the "shut down schools with low graduation rates" argument. Not saying I disagree with you but the ripple effect would be terrible.
Schools with low graduation rates would either 1) close down or more likely 2) skew results to clear more students through to graduation.
The likely latter situation would further devalue the college degree as you'd have a bunch of should-be dropouts with shiny new degrees going into the labor market.
Don't lie to yourselves that these college administrators at these failing universities would roll over and watch their schools close. They would do all types of dirty things to ensure they remain open.
Schools with low graduation rates would either 1) close down or more likely 2) skew results to clear more students through to graduation.
The likely latter situation would further devalue the college degree as you'd have a bunch of should-be dropouts with shiny new degrees going into the labor market.
Don't lie to yourselves that these college administrators at these failing universities would roll over and watch their schools close. They would do all types of dirty things to ensure they remain open.
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 10:37 am
Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:36 am to younger now
quote:
The difference between those schools and the ones that are historically black is that one set was created to segregate students based on skin color, and that’s the difference that I think continues to promote a segregated society.
Are we talking about HBCU's? I thought those were created in response to the segregation of the other universities, and are now "Historically" black colleges, as in they can't discriminate in enrollment? Am I wrong on this?
Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:46 am to ibldprplgld
quote:
Realistically, UNO should absorb SUNO.
Why should UNO absorb a piece of cancer? No one is stopping anyone qualified from getting into UNO.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:53 am to Maverick01
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I think you’ve outlived your purpose as a pos
Why would you say this?
I’m going to assume that you take offense to the question, which is in and of itself a perfect microcosm of the biggest problem facing today’s racism narrative - no one wants to be asked to look within........to the point of simply asking a thoughtful question like the one I posed garners responses like yours.
The OP was downvoted about 4-1 the last time I checked. Yet the responses - the actual intelligent, thought out responses - would seem to indicate that it’s a valid question.
Look at my post history. It’s brief. It also will tell you pretty quickly that I have a really recent history of “looking within.”
Responses like yours (if that response is based on some true emotion of yours as opposed to just message board banter) are why I don’t have a ton of hope for the direction of this country, at least to the extent that direction is steered by racism.
Until we are all willing to honestly see things as they are, and not see things only to the extent that they support our own personal agendas, my gosh, we’re in trouble.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 10:58 am to younger now
I was offered a minority scholarship to go to a HBCU for nursing school. I'm white. I went to the school. They never paid. Got a degree so I can't really complain. No one really cares where I went to college anyway as long as my state license is in good standing .
Posted on 5/2/18 at 11:05 am to crazyLSUfan
quote:
will offer a counterpoint to the "shut down schools with low graduation rates" argument. Not saying I disagree with you but the ripple effect would be terrible.
Schools with low graduation rates would either 1) close down or more likely 2) skew results to clear more students through to graduation.
The likely latter situation would further devalue the college degree as you'd have a bunch of should-be dropouts with shiny new degrees going into the labor market.
Don't lie to yourselves that these college administrators at these failing universities would roll over and watch their schools close. They would do all types of dirty things to ensure they remain open.
This post was edited on 5/2 at 10:37 am
There are for sure no easy fixes, which is kinda why my OP contained two questions, the second one being “if so what can be done.”
And I honestly don’t have the answer there. Whatever “was done” would certainly need to be in place and fully functioning prior to to any move towards closure or deep cuts. It just seems to me though that for the money spent (again, on an entire system of schools that were opened to one degree or another based on skin color), we could do better as a state and country when the current choice is sending folks to a school who’s degree is by and large worthless when those degrees are competing against other schools.
Think of it like this........there are places that were pretty well off limits to me (job wise), because my LSU degree couldn’t compete with Stanford, Ivies, and the like.
In much the same way, there are entire industries and chances that are off limits to folks with a degree from a place that everyone recognizes is substandard.
Why do we continue to throw money at a problem to enable folks to continue to fool themselves?
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