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Have historically black colleges outlived their purpose?
Posted on 5/2/18 at 7:56 am
Posted on 5/2/18 at 7:56 am
....and if so, what’s to be done about that?
Clearly, at their inception, their was a need for their establishment, and for many years, their existence.
But consider their white “counterpart” schools at the high school level. I grew up in the era of “LISA” schools. For the youngsters, “LISA” schools were small, private schools that served one unwritten purpose to which educating children was actually secondary. These schools sprang up in late 1960s and early 1970’s, and that PRIMARY purpose was to keep little white boys and girls from having to face the horrors of being educated while sitting next to little black girls and boys.
As the South integrated the public school system in the 1970’s, and found other, more subtle ways to segregate children, the primary purpose and conditions for which and in which these schools were created and deemed necessary no longer existed. As such, they either closed up shop, or allowed black children to attend.
The same plight now faces historically black colleges. Sure, white folks can go. And obviously, black folks can go to colleges that were once off limits to them. It just seems to me that the when the educational money pie is getting carved up at the state level, and simultaneously word comes down that higher education is facing serious financial crisis, the most logical place to cut would be an ENTIRE SYSTEM of schools who’s purpose for creation no longer exists.
Clearly, at their inception, their was a need for their establishment, and for many years, their existence.
But consider their white “counterpart” schools at the high school level. I grew up in the era of “LISA” schools. For the youngsters, “LISA” schools were small, private schools that served one unwritten purpose to which educating children was actually secondary. These schools sprang up in late 1960s and early 1970’s, and that PRIMARY purpose was to keep little white boys and girls from having to face the horrors of being educated while sitting next to little black girls and boys.
As the South integrated the public school system in the 1970’s, and found other, more subtle ways to segregate children, the primary purpose and conditions for which and in which these schools were created and deemed necessary no longer existed. As such, they either closed up shop, or allowed black children to attend.
The same plight now faces historically black colleges. Sure, white folks can go. And obviously, black folks can go to colleges that were once off limits to them. It just seems to me that the when the educational money pie is getting carved up at the state level, and simultaneously word comes down that higher education is facing serious financial crisis, the most logical place to cut would be an ENTIRE SYSTEM of schools who’s purpose for creation no longer exists.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:00 am to younger now
quote:Yes.
Have historically black colleges outlived their purpose?
But now they have a new purpose: provide a money filled sandbox for blacks to play in.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:01 am to younger now
We need more vocational training and less college training across the board - regardless of race.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:05 am to younger now
I say cut schools based off of graduation rates.
If you're only graduating 15% of students, it's time to close the doors.
If you're only graduating 15% of students, it's time to close the doors.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:07 am to younger now
quote:
the most logical place to cut would be an ENTIRE SYSTEM of schools who’s purpose for creation no longer exists.
I agree most of them should be shut down, but aren't a few of them, like Spellman and Howard, fairly respected Universities nationally?
Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:07 am to chinhoyang
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We need more vocational training and less college training across the board - regardless of race.
This is absolutely true. If this plan were implemented successfully, not only would black colleges no long unnecessarily drain state education coffers, but the litany of equally unnecessary, underperforming white colleges would no longer be a part of that same drain.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:14 am to TheChosenOne
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I agree most of them should be shut down, but aren't a few of them, like Spellman and Howard, fairly respected Universities nationally?
I’d assume that’s true, just based on the law of averages. If any historically black school is providing an educational service that’s not easily duplicated in its region / area, it should be funded to continuance.
The thread title called out historically black colleges, but IMO, it could have just as easily said “colleges that duplicate (comparitively poorly) services”.
The difference between those schools and the ones that are historically black is that one set was created to segregate students based on skin color, and that’s the difference that I think continues to promote a segregated society.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:15 am to younger now
Segregation now and forever.
Oh wait...
Oh wait...
Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:17 am to younger now
My question is if you are a young black man or woman why would you attend an HBCU. When you could get into universities that are of higher quality and provide better opportunity for a higher education. There are some exceptions to this rule like Howard or Spelman, but at the end of the most are a step down from non HBCU universities.
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 8:24 am
Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:18 am to crazyLSUstudent
Because the white man wearing a hood are after them.
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 8:19 am
Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:29 am to momentoftruth87
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momentoftruth87
You need to take a break. Your true colors are shining through today.
We don’t care for racists around here.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:30 am to crazyLSUstudent
quote:
My question is if you are a young black man or woman why would you attend an HBCU. When you could get into universities that are of higher quality and provide better opportunity for a higher education.
This.
The whole premise of this thread is kind of weird. Why would you want to get rid of a school just because it’s an HBCU?
If there are crappy schools that just so happen to be a HBCU, get rid of them....because they’re crappy schools. Not because they have a history of serving a marginalized segment of society.
This post was edited on 5/2/18 at 8:31 am
Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:32 am to Rebel
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You need to take a break. Your true colors are shining through today.
We don’t care for racists around here.
In the other thread you assumed I was from Arkansas and also referred to me as a klan member.
You're more fkd up than I am tbh.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:32 am to younger now
Your post really has nothing to do with HBCUs out living their purpose.
There are plenty of colleges/programs that need to be cut. Keeping something open just be title is an HBCU is a bit dumb, but the title of HBCU is still relevant and won't go away.
There are plenty of colleges/programs that need to be cut. Keeping something open just be title is an HBCU is a bit dumb, but the title of HBCU is still relevant and won't go away.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 8:36 am to TheChosenOne
If you wonder if the HBC will ever die, google "Knoxville College". It managed to die and there were serious efforts to resuscitate it. They failed.
The local Knox County Library has several of their annuals from the days when they were important as seen by their alumni doings as recorded in the annuals. But a lack of maintenance of their physical facilities, a lack of students, a lack of alumni involvement.....
Buildings rotting on a hill nowadays.
The local Knox County Library has several of their annuals from the days when they were important as seen by their alumni doings as recorded in the annuals. But a lack of maintenance of their physical facilities, a lack of students, a lack of alumni involvement.....
Buildings rotting on a hill nowadays.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:06 am to Deactived
quote:Except where there are no viable options within a reasonable distance. They should be forced to downsize if their graduation rates are low, and people have no other option
I say cut schools based off of graduation rates
Perfect example is SUNO vs UNO
Six year grad rate (total # of enrolled currently):
UNO = 35.8% (7,980)
SUNO = 16.1% (2,715)
LA average = 44.7%
UNO definitely has the facilities to handle another 2700 students. The semester before Katrina, UNO had 17,300 students. SUNO is across the street from UNO property.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:19 am to Deactived
quote:
I say cut schools based off of graduation rates.
If you're only graduating 15% of students, it's time to close the doors.
I agree 100%, but it would be political suicide for any politician to take this up. So, it'll never happen because one thing all politicians have in common is preservation of their position above all else.
Posted on 5/2/18 at 9:20 am to Rebel
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We don’t care for racists around here.
Pot, meet kettle.
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