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Posted on 2/22/24 at 10:31 pm to
Posted by DrDenim
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Posted on 2/22/24 at 10:31 pm to
Part of what I thought was my struggles with deads was coming from tight, short, weak hamstrings. Deadlift used to be the only lift I did that didn't have much of a warmup because in my foolishness I thought, "Ya can't deadlift an empty bar, you have to have the 45s on at least or the bar isn't at the right height and 135lb is too light to do shite." So I used to do a set or two of 5 with 135, another set of 5 with 225, maybe another set of 2 or 3 with 315 and then go into my working sets. That always felt too brief to me and it never felt like it did any good.

I don't know why I was so stubborn about doing other things to warm-up for deads, but for at least a year I've been doing romanian deadlifts with the empty bar, 95lb, 135lb, 185lb. I'll do 2 sets of 5 with just the bar and then 1 set of 5 at each of those weights, and then I'll load the bar with 225 and put it on the ground and do my first actual deadlift warm-up set of 2, and after that I'm done because I'm a weenie and my work sets are close enough to 315 I see no reason to do another warm-up set that's only 10-15lb less than my work set.

The RDL's have helped me strengthen and lengthen my useless, brittle, weak, tight hammies, and I've been doing Nordic curls twice a week on my non deadlifting days. Those are helping a ton. But I like doing the RDL's prior to deadlift. Gives me a chance to warm up the hammies, maybe get em a little stronger in the process, drill that hip hinge pattern into my brain better. It goes without saying that shoulder exercises help too. I've incorporated face pulls and band pull-a-parts so much into my daily life that it's more than just a warm-up, it's like brushing/flossing my teeth. I do those prior to everything, but I think they are especially helpful for anything pulling.
Posted by HVAU
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Posted on 2/22/24 at 10:53 pm to
I do warm up sets. 1x5x65% of the working set, and 1x3x85%. That’s probably not enough though.

I need the rdls. It’s been recommended by others. I need to learn the form.

Overall I’m still trying to figure out the form. Seems like when start with keeping the bar against my legs I get my thighs too low. Conversely, when I focus on not getting my thighs so low I tend to lose contact with the bar, travels too far out front.

I’m 6’2” with a long torso to leg ratio, but I think it’s not extreme enough to limit lifting with proper form. I just need to work it more.
Posted by DrDenim
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Posted on 2/23/24 at 12:42 am to
I started out going really slow, empty bar or oftentimes just my pvc pipe, no weight really, just focusing on keeping contact between my legs and the bar/pipe the whole time with a flat back/neutral spine. With your build I'd think you'll have to focus on keeping the bar tight with your lats and rear delts a lot more than someone built like me. I have a short-ish torso and short-ish arms, so if I hinge at my hips the bar basically just falls right down my thighs/knees/shins without a great effort. Of course, I still need to focus on engaging those lats/rear delts, but it's easier for me being built more compact.
Posted by HVAU
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Posted on 2/23/24 at 4:33 pm to
Today, wk5 d4 and damn I’m tired:

Bench 2x4x220, 1x6x220, 1x3x225, 1x2x245, 1x1x270, 1x20x135

Back to my bench 1rm today, so that’s very cool.

Squat 3x10x155

Preacher curls 3x10x85, 95, 105

DB Tricep Extensions 3x10x75, 85, 95

AB curls 2x10x85, 1x12x85

DB Incline Press 3x10x60s

Curious if anybody has run Hepburn 10 singles. Looks like a fun interlude to push up 1rms. I’m going to stick with the Rippler for a while, but no harm thinking several months out.
Posted by bamaguy17
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Posted on 2/23/24 at 5:01 pm to
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Curious if anybody has run Hepburn 10 singles.

I have. You’ll get very good at singles, and depending on your strength level, very sore knees. I enjoyed it but it’s not a long term program. The pump (?) where you progress from 3-6 reps is better for longer term. Don’t do both programs at the same time, even Hepburn said that was too much
Posted by bamaguy17
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Posted on 2/23/24 at 5:04 pm to
Relevant comment from reddit user, this makes me want to jump back into Hepburn:

A few moderately strong people and myself were doing Hepburn style training for a while. I worked up to 565/405/661 in the gym at 242 doing almost nothing but Hepburn for a year and a half. It's still one of my favorite schemes because it automatically cycles volume and intensity at a slow enough rate to make progress for a long period of time without a lot of thinking. It's almost Sheiko-esque, but without all the complexity and spreadsheets. However, I am going to recommend you NOT follow the Power/Pump routine like Hepburn originally laid out in his book. I am going to point you to a thread on (stay with me now) T-Nation where a fellow named Twiceborn who worked with Doug later in his life made some terrific suggestions.

Once we started following Twiceborn's advice, dropping the pump routine all together and following the 4x3 to 10x3 (or 4x1 to 10x1) progression, things really started to gel. The old routines were simply too much to recover from and took way too fricking long. It seems, if Twiceborn is credible, Hepburn grew to believe the same.

I followed a similar Bench/Squat, Press/Deadlift scheme. Always did some upper back stuff, abs or posterior, and gunshow work at the end. It was much easier to plow through the assistance stuff and put some effort into it once we switched to the modified progression. One thing I did not do that Twiceborn suggested was start with the "A" routine (singles). I started with the "B" routine, using around 75-80% of my 1RM. I would run that for about three cycles, adding ~10 to lower lifts and ~5 to upper lifts before switching over the "A" routine using 90% of my 1RM. For a little bit of swoletrophy, I would sometimes follow up the Hepburn sets with a dropset of 10-15 reps.
Posted by HVAU
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Posted on 2/23/24 at 5:07 pm to
quote:

I have. You’ll get very good at singles, and depending on your strength level, very sore knees. I enjoyed it but it’s not a long term program. The pump (?) where you progress from 3-6 reps is better for longer term. Don’t do both programs at the same time, even Hepburn said that was too much


I’m thinking about another cycle of the Rippler after I finish this, then an 8 week cycle of the 10 singles, then either back to the Rippler or Hepburn B program. I really like singles on the compounds.

Did you do much accessory work on 10 singles? I don’t want to give up my arm accessories particularly. I


Eta: I was writing when you posted that last comment. Yeah. That looks good. I will definitely keep it in my back pocket for after the Rippler.
This post was edited on 2/23/24 at 5:16 pm
Posted by bamaguy17
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Posted on 2/23/24 at 7:20 pm to
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Eta: I was writing when you posted that last comment. Yeah. That looks good. I will definitely keep it in my back pocket for after the Rippler.

That was a pasted comment from Reddit. That’s how I ran it though. I added curls, side/rear lats, leg extension/leg curls
Posted by HVAU
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Posted on 2/26/24 at 12:52 pm to
Today w6 d1:

Took more pre workout than I meant to so I had the beta alanine meth bugs, but plenty of energy.

OHP 3x2x140, 1x3x140

Just bought 531 second edition and was trying out false grip on this per Wendler’s recommendation.

DL 3x4x235, 1x10x235, 1x320

I warmed up with empty bar and 135 lb rdls as suggested by DrDenim. Felt good.

Lat Pulldowns 2x10x120, 130 1x15x140

Leg Ext 3x10x 120, 130, 150

Seated DB rear delts 3x10x20s, 25s, 30s

Standing Svend Press 1x10x25, 2x10x35

BW Dips 3x5

It’s been a long time since I’ve done dips due to shoulder aggravation, but they felt pretty good today and my chest looked nice with even that small volume/intensity.

Thanks for ask the great advice you guys have been giving me.
Posted by Earnest_P
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Posted on 2/26/24 at 2:36 pm to
Anybody else already accomplished or shooting for the 2-3-4-5, meaning 200lb press, 300lb bench, 400lb squat, and 500lb deadlift?

I’ve only really started training consistently in this last year after a couple previous linear progressions in my 30s (43 now), but I think I can get there. Well, barring injury, I should have the 2-3-4 by the middle of this year, but not sure I can get to 5 on the deadlift.

I deadlifted 370 for 5 this Saturday, but it wasn’t easy.
Posted by HVAU
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Posted on 2/26/24 at 2:44 pm to
I’d love to get there, but it’ll be a while. I’m focused on 1000 lbs on b/s/dl and a 315 bench. Sitting at 270/325/355.
Posted by lsu777
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:59 am to
im always training for that...dunno if i will ever get the press there though. the others i have had there except deadlift i only got to 450ish. but 5 is doable.
Posted by Earnest_P
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 9:25 am to
We are talking lifting those as 1RMs, right?
Posted by HVAU
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 10:13 am to
I am.
Posted by bamaguy17
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 10:30 am to
quote:

Anybody else already accomplished

I have. The current goal is 4-6-7 but a 700lb deadlift isn't achievable for me. I'm too old and short armed. I looked through my training logs the other day regarding bench and for 2 years i've been between 375 and 410. And those swings followed weight gain/loss. In other words, I would have to get to 250 to progress further on bench, and no reason to do that.
Posted by HVAU
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 1:37 pm to
Today w6 d2:

I was supposed to start with squat, but was chatting with a friend and mistakenly went bench first. Keeps happening.

Bench 3x4x195, 1x9x195, 1x5x225, 1x1x255

I stayed lighter on my single to save up for Friday. A little soreness from dips yesterday, but I can see it benefiting my bench a lot when I put it in the right spot.

Squat 2x5x235, 1x8x235

Rope triceps 3x10x90, 100, 110

Rope curl 3x10x90, 100, 110

DB triceps 3x10x75, 85, 95

AB curls 2x10x75, 1x12x75

DB flies 3x10x50s

Posted by DrDenim
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 1:41 pm to
I'm in that same boat. I can't remain at this body weight and body fat levels to be healthy, but my bench press and press are more closely pegged to my weight/fat levels than squat and deadlift. If I lost 50lbs it's very realistic that my squat and deadlift would be higher than they are now, so long as I keep training, but my presses will not do the same. Doesn't mean I'll be weak or even weaker, because as long as my relative strength is where I want it to be I'm happy, but these kinds of strength milestones will be harder to achieve or maintain.
Posted by Blutarsky
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 5:58 pm to
I saw the Barstool idiots do their own combine and their best guy hit 135 32x on bench and I wondered how many I could get.

135x51 today
This post was edited on 2/27/24 at 6:04 pm
Posted by DrDenim
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 6:47 pm to
I plan on doing my own combine next week, 40 yard time, shuttle drill, bench press, all of it I can do solo I'll do it. Don't know how I'll manage vertical jump exactly. Why did he do 135 instead of 225?

135 for 51 is impressive. I haven't done more than maybe 12 reps on any bench press set.....probably ever, so I don't expect to be able to do 225 for that many. I'm hoping for about 20-25.
This post was edited on 2/27/24 at 6:50 pm
Posted by Blutarsky
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Posted on 2/27/24 at 7:17 pm to
quote:

Don't know how I'll manage vertical jump exactly. Why did he do 135 instead of 225?


Most of the Barstool guys cannot bench 225.

I’ve done max bench reps at my current BW before and hit 195x30.

If I tried that today, it’s around 25 reps but I don’t train chest as much as used to these days.


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