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Catalonia region of Spain (Barcelona) has voted to declare independence from Spain

Posted on 10/2/17 at 7:27 am
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51387 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 7:27 am
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He said the door was open to a unilateral declaration of independence after Catalan officials said voters had backed secession with a 42.3% turnout.

Spain's government has warned it could suspend Catalan autonomy.

The constitutional court banned the vote and almost 900 people were hurt as police tried to stop it going ahead.
Officers from the national police and paramilitary Civil Guard seized ballot papers and boxes at polling stations.
Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy said Catalans had been fooled into taking part in an illegal vote.

More than 2.2 million people were reported to have voted, according to Catalan authorities, out of 5.3 million registered voters. Just under 90% of those who voted backed independence, they said.

A Catalan spokesman said more than 750,000 votes could not be counted because polling stations were closed and urns were confiscated.


Huge story, more so because the Spanish central government was a bit heavy-handed in their attempt to stop the vote from happening.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
30623 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 7:30 am to
You could replace Spain with almost any Middle Eastern country or African country and it would be par for the course. But Spain beating down voters to stop a vote? That's very surprising
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 7:30 am to
I highly doubt they're going to get any worthwhile recognition from any major world power.

I already know they United States will either have no opinion or say they don't recognize it.
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
51387 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 7:31 am to
Posted by tLSU
Member since Oct 2007
8623 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 7:33 am to
quote:

Huge story, more so because the Spanish central government was a bit heavy-handed in their attempt to stop the vote from happening.



Well, it is a meaningless, illegal vote. They can't simply declare themselves independent and expect Spain to give up a huge swath of its territory....which has belonged to Spain forever.

"Hey Spain, thanks a lot for pouring billions into Barcelona. We'll take it from here. Maybe we'll let you use your, oh wait, OUR port at a discount!"

It's like California declaring independence.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 7:37 am
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 7:33 am to
Hail Madrid! Hail King Felipe VI! Death to Catalonia!
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
120423 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 7:34 am to
The vote was illegal under the spanish constitution.

Its not like the UK where Scotland could secede.
Posted by jlovel7
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2014
21352 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 7:35 am to
I’m very interested to see the opinions of a lot of y’all. Given America’s own history of having several states declare independence.
Posted by Sammobile
Hollywood South
Member since Jan 2009
22330 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 7:38 am to
Texas ??
Posted by Blue Velvet
Apple butter toast is nice
Member since Nov 2009
20112 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 8:10 am to
Too bad it won't happen. They deserve independence.
Posted by tidalmouse
Whatsamotta U.
Member since Jan 2009
30706 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 8:18 am to
My understanding is that Catalonia is like several regions in Europe that were stuck with Countries after WW2 that they didn't belong with or want to be a part of.

I believe Catalonia identifies more with France than Spain.

Corsica,I believe,has similar feelings about being a part of France.
Posted by BeerMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2012
8397 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 8:19 am to
Texas is next.
Posted by 1999
Where I be
Member since Oct 2009
29173 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 8:26 am to
wonder if any of the catalonian soccer players or big time barcelona guys will continue to play for spain?
Posted by SamuelClemens
Earth
Member since Feb 2015
11727 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 8:50 am to
Spain's economy is worse than France's, this won't end well.
Posted by Decisions
Member since Mar 2015
1490 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 9:37 am to
People want to act like any ethnic or regional group who ever thought about independence should get it, as if things would stay the same or be better than before and there'd be no big brother to tell them what to do.

They're wrong.

It gets glossed over a lot in the history books, but after our glorious American Revolution we STRUGGLED as a nation for a good while. We had little industry, resources, or even labor to rectify the first two.

There's a reason why people grouped together to form larger nations. Pooling resources makes the sum greater than the parts and capable of achieving so much more. This is why every group can't be independent.
This post was edited on 10/2/17 at 1:44 pm
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
32121 posts
Posted on 10/2/17 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

the Spanish central government was a bit heavy-handed in their attempt to stop the vote from happening.



A bit? They raided voting areas and beat the shite out of protesters.
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