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An alternate hypothesis about Pitino: Suppose he really is telling the truth???
Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:31 pm
Has anyone stopped to think that maybe, just maybe, Pitino is telling the truth and he had no knowledge of what his assistant coach was doing?
Hear me out. I think Pitino is about as slimy and sleazy as they come and I don't trust him as far as I could throw him. But think of it this way: He was already hanging on by a thread due to the hooker scandal. He had to know that even one minor misstep could cost him his job. All of what happened in this case started in June. Pitino claimed in June that the commitment from Bowen was a total, but pleasant surprise. Is it possible that he just thought his assistant was a hell of a recruiter and took him at his word? I think it is entirely possible the assistant cooked up this scheme all on his own and stood to profit from it and did not WANT anyone else to know about it, let alone Pitino.
Look at the Auburn situation. The Auburn president today said the FBI told him that as far as he could tell, Chuck Person was the only person at Auburn that would be implicated and that this was an isolated incident not indicative of a program-wide issue. Person was running low on cash and got involved in this scheme for the money...and like the Louisville assistant, I am sure he probably didn't want anyone else to know about it either. Nobody seems to be calling for Bruce Pearl's job, and in fact all signs point to his job being safe at the moment.
One could argue that Pitino is guilty of hiring a non-trustworthy assistant coach...but how well can we truly know anyone? Chuck Person is one of the top 5 beloved athletes in Auburn sports history, and if you can't trust him, then who can you truly trust?
Now I agree that one major thing could poke a hole in my notion that Pitino really was oblivious to the whole thing. After they got Bowen to commit, and if Pitino truly was surprised, shouldn't he have asked the assistant how it happened, and what went down? But even that is shaky ground from a legal standpoint. The assistant did his job and got a player. Is the head coach obligated to question the guy about what means he used to get the job done?
It seems like this is headed toward a situation where Pitino will be fired and he will likely sue the university for being fired "with cause" and he will try to prove that he had no knowledge of any of this. A poster in another thread suggested that if such a lawsuit happens, Louisville will do everything in their power to "leak" any little thing that Pitino did wrong that the University "overlooked" to prove their point. I would love to see this go to court and see both side's dirty laundry hung out to dry in front of the whole world, but of course that is getting way ahead of things.
Just trying to provide a different view of things....attack away!
Hear me out. I think Pitino is about as slimy and sleazy as they come and I don't trust him as far as I could throw him. But think of it this way: He was already hanging on by a thread due to the hooker scandal. He had to know that even one minor misstep could cost him his job. All of what happened in this case started in June. Pitino claimed in June that the commitment from Bowen was a total, but pleasant surprise. Is it possible that he just thought his assistant was a hell of a recruiter and took him at his word? I think it is entirely possible the assistant cooked up this scheme all on his own and stood to profit from it and did not WANT anyone else to know about it, let alone Pitino.
Look at the Auburn situation. The Auburn president today said the FBI told him that as far as he could tell, Chuck Person was the only person at Auburn that would be implicated and that this was an isolated incident not indicative of a program-wide issue. Person was running low on cash and got involved in this scheme for the money...and like the Louisville assistant, I am sure he probably didn't want anyone else to know about it either. Nobody seems to be calling for Bruce Pearl's job, and in fact all signs point to his job being safe at the moment.
One could argue that Pitino is guilty of hiring a non-trustworthy assistant coach...but how well can we truly know anyone? Chuck Person is one of the top 5 beloved athletes in Auburn sports history, and if you can't trust him, then who can you truly trust?
Now I agree that one major thing could poke a hole in my notion that Pitino really was oblivious to the whole thing. After they got Bowen to commit, and if Pitino truly was surprised, shouldn't he have asked the assistant how it happened, and what went down? But even that is shaky ground from a legal standpoint. The assistant did his job and got a player. Is the head coach obligated to question the guy about what means he used to get the job done?
It seems like this is headed toward a situation where Pitino will be fired and he will likely sue the university for being fired "with cause" and he will try to prove that he had no knowledge of any of this. A poster in another thread suggested that if such a lawsuit happens, Louisville will do everything in their power to "leak" any little thing that Pitino did wrong that the University "overlooked" to prove their point. I would love to see this go to court and see both side's dirty laundry hung out to dry in front of the whole world, but of course that is getting way ahead of things.
Just trying to provide a different view of things....attack away!
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Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:32 pm to LSUGrad9295
Cried wolf scenario.
He lied way too much so there's no chance anyone will believe him this time, even if he's telling the truth.
Eta: Holy wall of text, Batman!
He lied way too much so there's no chance anyone will believe him this time, even if he's telling the truth.
Eta: Holy wall of text, Batman!
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 8:33 pm
Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:36 pm to LSUGrad9295
He should have been fired a long time ago. But his bosses lack integrity. Every person above him should be fired right with Pitino.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:37 pm to LSUGrad9295
Being purposefully blind doesn't really make him look any better
Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:38 pm to LSUGrad9295
quote:
Has anyone stopped to think that maybe, just maybe, Pitino is telling the truth and he had no knowledge of what his assistant coach was doing?
Just thought about and yeah he 100% knew what was going on. I don't read the rest of that wall of text because that's a clown question bro
Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:46 pm to LSUGrad9295
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Has anyone stopped to think that maybe, just maybe, Pitino is telling the truth and he had no knowledge of what his assistant coach was doing?
No HC knows the extent of what their assistants and staff do, that's why they have plausible deniability. It's standard practice.
Doesn't hold up against institutional control though, and that is what UL will fire him for when his appeal is up.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 8:55 pm to LSUGrad9295
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Has anyone stopped to think that maybe, just maybe, Pitino is telling the truth and he had no knowledge of what his assistant coach was doing?
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:11 pm to LSUGrad9295
Lack of institutional control.
The NCAA can, has, and will hammer you for not knowing things you should've known
The NCAA can, has, and will hammer you for not knowing things you should've known
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:16 pm to LSUGrad9295
I think it is 99% + likely that Pitino did nothing criminal. He will never face charges of any kind.
However, I am almost as confident that it was a situation where he just wanted plausible deniability. He likely looked the other way while hiring guys he knew would do shady things. He probably didn't anticipate hookers but he knew cash was exchanging hands.
There are certain coaches who carry a rep for being dirty. Some of the names that are most mentioned for that are Dalonte Hill and Tim Fuller. They are like the Tropper Taylors of college basketball. If I know that, coaches obviously know that.
Also, fwiw, Pearl is considered a very dirty coach. When everyone thought that Tobias Harris was looking at Syracuse and Louisville, I was told by someone who was about as close to the situation as you can get that Tobias Harris was paid for by Tennessee. Two weeks later he signed with them.
However, I am almost as confident that it was a situation where he just wanted plausible deniability. He likely looked the other way while hiring guys he knew would do shady things. He probably didn't anticipate hookers but he knew cash was exchanging hands.
There are certain coaches who carry a rep for being dirty. Some of the names that are most mentioned for that are Dalonte Hill and Tim Fuller. They are like the Tropper Taylors of college basketball. If I know that, coaches obviously know that.
Also, fwiw, Pearl is considered a very dirty coach. When everyone thought that Tobias Harris was looking at Syracuse and Louisville, I was told by someone who was about as close to the situation as you can get that Tobias Harris was paid for by Tennessee. Two weeks later he signed with them.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:21 pm to LSUGrad9295
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Pitino is telling the truth and he had no knowledge of what his assistant coach was doing?
Believing the blame of rogue assistants once, shame on you.
Believing the blame of rogue assistants twice, shame on me.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:35 pm to LSUGrad9295
Here's the issue with Pitino.
When Chris Jones got wrapped up in rape allegations, it was "I know EVERYTHING that goes on with my program, I KNOW everyone who comes in and out of Minardi Hall, etc". He literally spent a whole press conference when it broke telling the world that it doesn't happen on his watch because dammit he's watching.
Then the Katrina Powell situation comes along and it's "The cameras were broken in Minardi Hall, I was depending on my assistants to do that, etc.".
When you talk out of both sides of your mouth like that, you lose your credibility. And the reality is, he should've been fired a long time ago. All the Interim President will need to do is make the case that he wasn't there for the previous fireable offenses, so he couldn't strike until he gave him the ammo to do so again.
When Chris Jones got wrapped up in rape allegations, it was "I know EVERYTHING that goes on with my program, I KNOW everyone who comes in and out of Minardi Hall, etc". He literally spent a whole press conference when it broke telling the world that it doesn't happen on his watch because dammit he's watching.
Then the Katrina Powell situation comes along and it's "The cameras were broken in Minardi Hall, I was depending on my assistants to do that, etc.".
When you talk out of both sides of your mouth like that, you lose your credibility. And the reality is, he should've been fired a long time ago. All the Interim President will need to do is make the case that he wasn't there for the previous fireable offenses, so he couldn't strike until he gave him the ammo to do so again.
This post was edited on 9/27/17 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 9/27/17 at 9:51 pm to LSUGrad9295
quote:
Suppose he really is telling the truth?
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Pitino
Yeah, we can put your mind at ease about that one right now.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:46 pm to LSUGrad9295
Pitino lost the benefit of the doubt a long time ago.
Tough shite if he's telling the truth.
Tough shite if he's telling the truth.
Posted on 9/27/17 at 10:47 pm to LSUGrad9295
If he didn't, it's willful ignorance.
Pitino loses.
Pitino loses.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 7:01 am to LSUGrad9295
First rule of being in management.....it's always your fault.
Guilty or not, Pitino is accountable as the head of the men's basketball program, which is already on probation and now being rocked by the FBI/ Addidas/recruiting scandal.
How many lives do you want to give the cat? Of course, let's not forget the $3k mistress and the abortion.
Read news accounts from various sources and you walk away with one thing...Pitino is a bad character.
Guilty or not, Pitino is accountable as the head of the men's basketball program, which is already on probation and now being rocked by the FBI/ Addidas/recruiting scandal.
How many lives do you want to give the cat? Of course, let's not forget the $3k mistress and the abortion.
Read news accounts from various sources and you walk away with one thing...Pitino is a bad character.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 7:38 am to LSUGrad9295
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Has anyone stopped to think that maybe, just maybe, Pitino is telling the truth and he had no knowledge of what his assistant coach was doing?
Even if he had no knowledge of what was going on, it looks terrible for a head coach who is supposed to be responsible for his program. How incompetent of a coach was he if he knew nothing about the strippers or shoe bribery?
Posted on 9/28/17 at 7:52 am to LSUGrad9295
Ignorance is not an excuse for the way his program has been run for years.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 7:56 am to LSUGrad9295
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Chuck Person is one of the top 5 beloved athletes in Auburn sports history, and if you can't trust him, then who can you truly trust?
Poor Chuck. Just trying to go about his job the Auburn way.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:32 am to LSUGrad9295
If a dog has bit 10 humans, it really doesn't matter if the 11th bite actually happened or not.
Posted on 9/28/17 at 8:55 am to LSUGrad9295
Head Coaches hire these guys as assistants because of their AAU connections. The AAU racket is just that, a racket of self-dealing. The HC's may try to stay away from the in's and out's of recruiting the mega-star recruit, but they aren't stupid. They know it's dirty. They just want to be able to claim "plausible deniability" when something like this happens with the assistants.
The HC's charge to their top recruiters is "just get me the player, but don't tell me how you did it." Are the HC's expressly telling the assistants to go out and cheat to get players? Probably not. But they certainly know what it takes to sign big time players and don't ask questions when they do sign.
The HC's charge to their top recruiters is "just get me the player, but don't tell me how you did it." Are the HC's expressly telling the assistants to go out and cheat to get players? Probably not. But they certainly know what it takes to sign big time players and don't ask questions when they do sign.
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