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re: Since this has now turned into a rebuilding project
Posted on 9/22/17 at 12:55 pm to UpToPar
Posted on 9/22/17 at 12:55 pm to UpToPar
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Well, my preference would be for O to have never got the job in the first place. If he wins out (lol) then I would still want him gone. He is an awful head coach and it is going to catch up to us sooner or later.
you're a joke dude. If O lead this team to an 11-1 season how would that not prove he is a good coach? According to you, nothing he can do will change the fact that he is a bad coach. He could win a natty and you'd still want him gone? You and the rest of you O haters are so laughable.
Y'all are as bad as the Trump haters. You didn't get your way when the coach was hired so now you're gonna stomp your feet and cry about it and nothing will change your mind.
Btw, just as I didn't vote for trump, I didn't really want O hired. But here's the thing, Trump is president and O is our coach. Nothing will change that as of right now. Your best bet as an LSU fan (and American) is to hop on board and hope like hell he figures it out.
But to say that no amount of wins will change your perception of him just shows that you are dim witted and shallow minded.
Melt away snowflake.
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Posted on 9/22/17 at 1:01 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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If O lead this team to an 11-1 season how would that not prove he is a good coach?
We can wish in one hand and shite in another, but let’s be honest, Orgeron isn’t winning out. He’s had plenty of opportunities to prove he’s a good coach, and he hasn’t done it yet. He was a complete failure at Ole Miss, he had the opportunity to win the job against Florida and failed, and he just lost by 30 to Mississippi state. He would have to show an ability to win at a high level for multiple years to change my opinion on him, and that ain’t happening.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 1:14 pm to UpToPar
I obviously agree that the chances of us going 11-1 are about the same as me and you both winning the Powerball. And I'm with you man, CEO has a lot to prove to us as fans.
But O's failure at Ole miss 10 years ago doesn't have dick to do with this team or this program. As long as we don't have a 4-8 like season, O will get 3 years to prove himself just like every coach ever hired gets. After the 3 years, the cards will lie where they have fallen and either O has us going in the right direction or he'll be stuck in neutral and we'll be on to the next guy. Either way, O should be given the opportunity to show us what he can do.
I also advise against hot takes based on this season. Judging a coach on year one is often fools gold. Like many have stated some great coaches faltered in their first year (Saban, Dabo, etc.). But others have looked like true contenders in year one only to be put back in their place in the following years (Malzahn, Chizik, muschamp in year 2at UF).
But O's failure at Ole miss 10 years ago doesn't have dick to do with this team or this program. As long as we don't have a 4-8 like season, O will get 3 years to prove himself just like every coach ever hired gets. After the 3 years, the cards will lie where they have fallen and either O has us going in the right direction or he'll be stuck in neutral and we'll be on to the next guy. Either way, O should be given the opportunity to show us what he can do.
I also advise against hot takes based on this season. Judging a coach on year one is often fools gold. Like many have stated some great coaches faltered in their first year (Saban, Dabo, etc.). But others have looked like true contenders in year one only to be put back in their place in the following years (Malzahn, Chizik, muschamp in year 2at UF).
Posted on 9/22/17 at 1:20 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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But O's failure at Ole miss 10 years ago doesn't have dick to do with this team or this program.
It’s not the end all be all, but it’s his only other HC experience we have to go on. Until proven otherwise, he is a failure as a HC.
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As long as we don't have a 4-8 like season, O will get 3 years to prove himself just like every coach ever hired gets. After the 3 years, the cards will lie where they have fallen and either O has us going in the right direction or he'll be stuck in neutral and we'll be on to the next guy. Either way, O should be given the opportunity to show us what he can do.
I don’t agree. I don’t think there’s anyway he is fired after this year barring some serious scandal, but I don’t know that he’s guaranteed 3 years. I think two 7-5 seasons and both him and Alleva are gone. In my mind, he had his chance to win the job and he failed.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 1:27 pm to The Pirate King
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So you’re cheering for the team (and O) to fail because you didn’t like the hire
That is precisely what is happening with the majority of the anti-Orgeron crowd. They are throwing a juvenile temper tantrum.
"I didn't get my way, my guy wasn't hired so screw Orgeron, screw LSU. I'm gonna bitch and piss and moan until I get my way." The rant is a perfect place for that.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 1:28 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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But O's failure at Ole miss 10 years ago doesn't have dick to do with this team or this program.
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I also advise against hot takes based on this season. Judging a coach on year one is often fools gold. Like many have stated some great coaches faltered in their first year (Saban, Dabo, etc.). But others have looked like true contenders in year one only to be put back in their place in the following years (Malzahn, Chizik, muschamp in year 2at UF).
You say don't judge a coach on one year, but set it up by saying people can't judge past years where O was head coach. So, in theory, you literally are building up defense against any opposition to O for the next 24-36 months. Double that with the "rebuild" narrative and it seems O is absolved of both his tenure at Ole Miss, and any failings over the next 3 years.
This is where the vitriol and constant debate is coming from I would guess. If this is the common thought of the "Don't Panic" crowd.
Side note: I wonder all of the "Ole Miss doesn't matter" crowd....do you never turn in a resume on your job applications? Are you never judged for your past performance. That doesn't make sense to me. If I was chasing a promotion, my RESULTS would be #1 on my resume.
This post was edited on 9/22/17 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 9/22/17 at 1:32 pm to Freauxzen
I never said don't judge for 3 years, I said he would get 3 years regardless of our judgements as long as we don't go 4-8 or worse.
I also said that hot takes based on 1 year are often wrong and advised against them.
You can judge all you want, the fact remains that he'll get 3 years and that the results of year 1 are not necessarily predictive of the following years.
A 30 point loss to MSU should raise some eyebrows but one game shouldn't condemn a coach. Hell one 8-4 season shouldn't condemn a coach.
I also said that hot takes based on 1 year are often wrong and advised against them.
You can judge all you want, the fact remains that he'll get 3 years and that the results of year 1 are not necessarily predictive of the following years.
A 30 point loss to MSU should raise some eyebrows but one game shouldn't condemn a coach. Hell one 8-4 season shouldn't condemn a coach.
This post was edited on 9/22/17 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 9/22/17 at 1:35 pm to Freauxzen
As far as the ole miss stuff. Do you believe that you are better at your job than you were 10 years ago?
I believe that I'm better at my job than I was 1 year ago.
Also On a resume, no one gives a shite about what you did 10 years ago, they're more concerned about what you did more recently.
I believe that I'm better at my job than I was 1 year ago.
Also On a resume, no one gives a shite about what you did 10 years ago, they're more concerned about what you did more recently.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 1:36 pm to Brazos
So stupid how this suddenly became a rebuilding project. It is not.
Lord help LSU if it is.... Zero is not the guy to build a program. My worry was that he would tear it down quickly. Maybe that is actually what has happened with all the transfers out since he got here. Guy destroyed Ole Miss.
Lord help LSU if it is.... Zero is not the guy to build a program. My worry was that he would tear it down quickly. Maybe that is actually what has happened with all the transfers out since he got here. Guy destroyed Ole Miss.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 1:36 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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4-8 or worse.
Hole shite man, 4-8 and that's where you draw the line? Winless in the sec is where you cut bait? God you fricks have lowered the expectations because a coon arse was hired.
We are so screwed.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 1:39 pm to L S Usetheforce
Similar to the fire Miles contingent since his 1st game in TS, amirite?
Posted on 9/22/17 at 1:40 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Also On a resume, no one gives a shite about what you did 10 years ago, they're more concerned about what you did more recently.
If you were middle management your whole career, promoted to upper management and failed miserably, return to middle management for another 8-9 years and then try for an upper management position again you bet your arse they'd care about your last venture into upper management 10 years ago.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 1:41 pm to Tiger Voodoo
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The CheeriOs literally are just happy that they "won" by getting rid of Miles and never cared at all what happened to the program afterward just as long as Miles was gone.
You've said yourself he should have been fired. Now you're going to whine and act like a pussy because our admin fked up and made the wrong hire? Dont be mad at O....I'm not.
He was offered the job and took it....if you want to be mad at someone, take a number and get in line for getting rid of the two biggest cancers plaguing our program....FKing and JA.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 1:48 pm to UpToPar
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My idea of a nightmare is hiring a coach that was not even considered for the Syracuse HC job and would not seriously be considered for ANY HC job at a Power 5 school. Then, on top of that, the same idiots that supported one of the worst hires in college football in the last 20 years are doubling down by making excuses for his complete lack of an ability to run a football program.
don't forget to drop the mic bro
Posted on 9/22/17 at 1:49 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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As far as the ole miss stuff. Do you believe that you are better at your job than you were 10 years ago?
I am, but I actually have results to prove it. And I put them on my resume.
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I believe that I'm better at my job than I was 1 year ago.
Agreed.
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Also On a resume, no one gives a shite about what you did 10 years ago, they're more concerned about what you did more recently.
So, show me Ogeron's recent history of being a Head Coach that proved he has what it takes. Where he rebuilt a program, where he installed a football philosophy. Where he did more than hold something someone else built relatively steady. Where he developed a gameplan on one side of the ball. Where he did more than just recruit and gladhand people.
Where's the proof that his old resume shouldn't matter....?
Posted on 9/22/17 at 1:50 pm to Brazos
There was a really good, 30-something page thread that got at it this issue the other day, albeit from a different perspective. My thinking is as follows:
1. We probably are in a rebuilding mode, at least to a greater extent than we would like to admit. Uneven recruiting and poor player retention, primarily on the lines, have put us in that spot.
2. If we are in a rebuilding mode, O probably wasn't the best choice. Bully for him that he was able to campaign for and get the job.
3. Even if the school made a mistake with the hire, it doesn't matter. O's the coach and he has to be given a reasonable chance to succeed. That means 2-3 years in the absence of some sort of malfeasance.
4. On the bright side, we still have plenty of talent and it is amazing what difference a key offensive or defensive playmaker can make. We may not be that far off even if the roster has holes.
1. We probably are in a rebuilding mode, at least to a greater extent than we would like to admit. Uneven recruiting and poor player retention, primarily on the lines, have put us in that spot.
2. If we are in a rebuilding mode, O probably wasn't the best choice. Bully for him that he was able to campaign for and get the job.
3. Even if the school made a mistake with the hire, it doesn't matter. O's the coach and he has to be given a reasonable chance to succeed. That means 2-3 years in the absence of some sort of malfeasance.
4. On the bright side, we still have plenty of talent and it is amazing what difference a key offensive or defensive playmaker can make. We may not be that far off even if the roster has holes.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 1:50 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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As far as the ole miss stuff. Do you believe that you are better at your job than you were 10 years ago?
Do I think O is better now, sure
Do I think someone can go from being a 3-9 coach to an 11-2 or better coach? hell no. Not after 10 years, not after 100 years.
We are a 7-8 wins max program as long as he is here.
This post was edited on 9/22/17 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 9/22/17 at 1:51 pm to N.O. via West-Cal
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Even if the school made a mistake with the hire, it doesn't matter. O's the coach and he has to be given a reasonable chance to succeed. That means 2-3 years in the absence of some sort of malfeasance.
It feels like we got put on probation
Posted on 9/22/17 at 1:51 pm to Brazos
quote:Then why did a coach that won one National Championship and play in another get fired?
For the record I don't believe for one second this is a rebuilding project.
Posted on 9/22/17 at 1:54 pm to AlxTgr
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Then why did a coach that won one National Championship and play in another get fired?
Well the reason was because were putting more players in the league than anyone else but losing 3-5 games every year.
The idea was to make a change in order to improve the coaching and thus improve the results with all that NFL talent.
Instead we got a worse coach and as a result we're in a major decline. We're not even in a rebuild yet. We have to bottom out before we can rebuild it. Buckle up buttercup, it's going to be like one of those tower of terror free fall drops they have at Six Flags.
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