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re: Prison Population Timeline in the US
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:08 pm to funnystuff
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:08 pm to funnystuff
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700% jump doesn't seem that big?
And clearly the bigger issue is the spike in the rate of increase around 1980. It would be one thing if that 700% increase happened in a pure linear trend, but virtually all of those gains occurred in the last 30-40 years. It sure seems significant
Graph looks about like the national debt graph. We don't worry about the debt graph, so why worry about the prison graph?
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Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:11 pm to navy
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Stop buying and using alcohol, drunkards. Go to work.
Fify.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:14 pm to NYNolaguy1
The graph shows Americans apparently like drugs.
So leave us alone.
The Prison population was normal - until the War on Drugs.
Then it made China blush with shock.
So leave us alone.
The Prison population was normal - until the War on Drugs.
Then it made China blush with shock.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:16 pm to i am dan
A) we absolutely worry about the national debt
B) the national debt has been steadily climbing since WW2, the drastic jump in incarceration has occurred in the last 30 years. it's a much more modern innovation
B) the national debt has been steadily climbing since WW2, the drastic jump in incarceration has occurred in the last 30 years. it's a much more modern innovation
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:17 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
It took about 20 years to start seeing the damage from LBJ's great society and it's only getting worse.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:17 pm to baybeefeetz
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Oh yeah? I'd argue there are lots of people out there getting away with evil shite who are escaping punishment.
I agree, comrade (and so does Stalin, and his #2). They were fond of convicting anyone for creative crimes.
If you take away enough freedom, no one will commit any crimes.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 10:22 pm
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:21 pm to AMS
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.007%
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it doesn't seem to be that huge of a jump to me.
700% isn't a huge increase?
do you beat your wife when your power bill is $107 instead of 100? we're talking about a small percentage of hundreds of millions. no, it's not a big deal. stop breaking the law.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:24 pm to IAmReality
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Pretty clear the crack epidemic and the subsequent war on drugs lead to the explosion.
Or prisons being privatized.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:26 pm to ElmoHatesMe
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700% isn't a huge increase?
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do you beat your wife when your power bill is $107 instead of 100?
So if you gave me $100 to invest, and I told you it increased 700%, you would expect $7 back?
I know a Nigerian prince thats waiting for an offer like that. He pays handsomely on his investments.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:27 pm to Ebbandflow
i dont get this mindset. hey everyone speeds so let's stop giving tickets and make it legal! too many tickets being written, especially to poor people making them poorer!
rabble rabble rabble.
rabble rabble rabble.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:34 pm to NYNolaguy1
yea. idk how i mixed 7% with 700. my only defense is that im glancing on 2nd monitor while multi tasking.
the populace has tripled though and common sense tells you that more people = more crime more often, particularly in... overcrowded low income areas. it's a chain reaction.
the populace has tripled though and common sense tells you that more people = more crime more often, particularly in... overcrowded low income areas. it's a chain reaction.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:34 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Slapahoe's solution to our growing prison problems-
1. No sentence should be longer than 18 years. In 18 years we go from a crying infant to a completely independent human being; so that should be enough time for someone to change who they are. If you're willing to throw someone in prison for longer than that, then I say just strap them into Old Sparky and flip the switch.
2. Prison shouldn't be an opportunity for them to form gangs and such; work them from can see to can't. They should be so physically exhausted that all they want to do when they get back to the barracks is sleep. Prison should resemble the first 45 minutes of Full Metal Jacket, minus the guns.
I know some will just fold their arms and say "I ain't doing that." That's fine, don't feed them, don't clothe them, make them sleep outside in the weather ... eventually they'll either come around or die.
3. After a suitable length of time of the intensive "physical training" (however long it takes to mentally break someone), if they've been behaved, allow them to spend a couple of days a week indoors, without someone yelling in their ear constantly, as long as they spend that time learning a trade, getting a basic education, taking a civics course - so they may learn their place in society, and so on. As they do well, reward them with more study days and fewer physical training days.
4. Towards the end of their sentence (last six months or so) allow the prisoners to live in an environment that more closely resembles the outside. They should see what it is like to go to work, get a normal paycheck, pay bills, and spend their extra money/free time how they choose. Let the parole board observe them during this period to determine if they've learned enough to safely re enter society.
5. Anyone sent to prison for a gang related crime should not be released into the same region from whence they came, and no two members of the same gang should ever be housed together.
1. No sentence should be longer than 18 years. In 18 years we go from a crying infant to a completely independent human being; so that should be enough time for someone to change who they are. If you're willing to throw someone in prison for longer than that, then I say just strap them into Old Sparky and flip the switch.
2. Prison shouldn't be an opportunity for them to form gangs and such; work them from can see to can't. They should be so physically exhausted that all they want to do when they get back to the barracks is sleep. Prison should resemble the first 45 minutes of Full Metal Jacket, minus the guns.
I know some will just fold their arms and say "I ain't doing that." That's fine, don't feed them, don't clothe them, make them sleep outside in the weather ... eventually they'll either come around or die.
3. After a suitable length of time of the intensive "physical training" (however long it takes to mentally break someone), if they've been behaved, allow them to spend a couple of days a week indoors, without someone yelling in their ear constantly, as long as they spend that time learning a trade, getting a basic education, taking a civics course - so they may learn their place in society, and so on. As they do well, reward them with more study days and fewer physical training days.
4. Towards the end of their sentence (last six months or so) allow the prisoners to live in an environment that more closely resembles the outside. They should see what it is like to go to work, get a normal paycheck, pay bills, and spend their extra money/free time how they choose. Let the parole board observe them during this period to determine if they've learned enough to safely re enter society.
5. Anyone sent to prison for a gang related crime should not be released into the same region from whence they came, and no two members of the same gang should ever be housed together.
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:35 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
the increase in prison population is due to better police work and technology
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:36 pm to TheFonz
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Considering the amount of things you can go to jail for these days (i.e. drugs) it doesn't seem to be that huge of a jump to me.
This is part of the problem. The prison-industrial complex is real and they are constantly looking for new reasons to incarcerate people.
Far too many are in jail or prison for non violent essentially harmless violations.
Yet cops can do whatever the hell they want, violate your civil rights while murdering your pet, and then get a pat on the back.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 10:38 pm
Posted on 9/20/17 at 10:47 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
And we like drugs so much...
Rx drugs replaced "illicit drugs" to a staggering degree.
More people by far by far by far are on Rx drugs then people were ever snorting coke or smoking weed.
So we replaced "illicit drugs" for "legal drugs" that scramble brains or dope people out into zombies...with pyschotropic drugs that just make people sedated and suicidal...and the difference? Street drugs make no profit for corporations unless you have a corporation called "Escobar, Inc."
Look at Tiger Woods; I'd rather he just smoked some weed or snorted Coke before he got behind the wheel. But everyone from kids to adults is living off of tranquilizers for depression, insomnia, anxiety, benzo freaks. You think this is making America more productive?
All these people in prison because they don't work for Pfizer? The prison spike could be called a crime against humanity by our own country on their own people.
Rx drugs replaced "illicit drugs" to a staggering degree.
More people by far by far by far are on Rx drugs then people were ever snorting coke or smoking weed.
So we replaced "illicit drugs" for "legal drugs" that scramble brains or dope people out into zombies...with pyschotropic drugs that just make people sedated and suicidal...and the difference? Street drugs make no profit for corporations unless you have a corporation called "Escobar, Inc."
Look at Tiger Woods; I'd rather he just smoked some weed or snorted Coke before he got behind the wheel. But everyone from kids to adults is living off of tranquilizers for depression, insomnia, anxiety, benzo freaks. You think this is making America more productive?
All these people in prison because they don't work for Pfizer? The prison spike could be called a crime against humanity by our own country on their own people.
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 9/20/17 at 11:29 pm to ElmoHatesMe
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i dont get this mindset. hey everyone speeds so let's stop giving tickets and make it legal! too many tickets being written, especially to poor people making them poorer!
Oh really? You dont get how a private company, that still gets funded by the public per prisoner, would have a vested interest in having more prisoners? A for profit lock up. Really?
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 11:30 pm
Posted on 9/20/17 at 11:41 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Initially thought to be a wonder drug, in the late 19th century cocaine was a key ingredient in medicines used to combat asthma, dysentery, sore nipples, syphilis and – ironically – to fight opium addiction.
Prohibition, however, created both a black market and a certain chic, the results of which remain with us now. From that point on, whatever temporary high cocaine gave to its users, its dealers got an incomparably greater financial buzz.
The stupendous riches to be made, and their attendant cost in crime, murder and blighted lives, means that the U.S. now spends $40?billion annually on its ‘war against drugs’.
Alcohol and Nicotine...America's biggest problem when it comes to health crisis and drain on healthcare and costs to other Americans.
Cocaine and Weed - almost neglible. No effect on taxpayers and health care systems but for the war on drugs. The only effect is over-crowding prisons - which takes money out of your pocket if you are a tax-payer.
You are being fleeced for no reason...when banning of alcohol would decrease crime and taxes 10X more than "illicit drugs."
Prohibition, however, created both a black market and a certain chic, the results of which remain with us now. From that point on, whatever temporary high cocaine gave to its users, its dealers got an incomparably greater financial buzz.
The stupendous riches to be made, and their attendant cost in crime, murder and blighted lives, means that the U.S. now spends $40?billion annually on its ‘war against drugs’.
Alcohol and Nicotine...America's biggest problem when it comes to health crisis and drain on healthcare and costs to other Americans.
Cocaine and Weed - almost neglible. No effect on taxpayers and health care systems but for the war on drugs. The only effect is over-crowding prisons - which takes money out of your pocket if you are a tax-payer.
You are being fleeced for no reason...when banning of alcohol would decrease crime and taxes 10X more than "illicit drugs."
This post was edited on 9/20/17 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 9/21/17 at 2:48 am to SlapahoeTribe
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1. No sentence should be longer than 18 years. In 18 years we go from a crying infant to a completely independent human being; so that should be enough time for someone to change who they are. If you're willing to throw someone in prison for longer than that, then I say just strap them into Old Sparky and flip the switch.
2. Prison shouldn't be an opportunity for them to form gangs and such; work them from can see to can't. They should be so physically exhausted that all they want to do when they get back to the barracks is sleep. Prison should resemble the first 45 minutes of Full Metal Jacket, minus the guns.
I know some will just fold their arms and say "I ain't doing that." That's fine, don't feed them, don't clothe them, make them sleep outside in the weather ... eventually they'll either come around or die.
3. After a suitable length of time of the intensive "physical training" (however long it takes to mentally break someone), if they've been behaved, allow them to spend a couple of days a week indoors, without someone yelling in their ear constantly, as long as they spend that time learning a trade, getting a basic education, taking a civics course - so they may learn their place in society, and so on. As they do well, reward them with more study days and fewer physical training days.
4. Towards the end of their sentence (last six months or so) allow the prisoners to live in an environment that more closely resembles the outside. They should see what it is like to go to work, get a normal paycheck, pay bills, and spend their extra money/free time how they choose. Let the parole board observe them during this period to determine if they've learned enough to safely re enter society.
5. Anyone sent to prison for a gang related crime should not be released into the same region from whence they came, and no two members of the same gang should ever be housed together.
Tell me where I can vote for you
Also, having read your thoughts alludes to the bigger problem that no one wants to admit. We already have some programs (state-run) that have a proven working system similar to yours. The issue is privatized prisons are more interested in making money off of victimless crimes than actually protecting society.
The vast majority of arrest and charges these days have little to nothing to do with public safety.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 4:33 am to navy
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Stop dealing and using drugs, dopers. Go to work.
What about those of us capable of going to work while still doing drugs in our off time? I know lots of people that get up & go to work every day while still smoking weed or drinking at night. In the 90s & early 2000s, there were countless heroin addicts in San Francisco that had great jobs in the tech sector. Despite what you want to think about drug users, there are many that can hold down a job. Some of the highest paid people I have known have smoked weed & many successful people are alcoholics.
A lot of people in jail for drugs would still be contributing members of society if they were not locked up. Drugs & the desire to be intoxicated are as old as civilization. Trying to fight it is a losing endeavor. Might as well outlaw sex while we're at it. I have known several people whose lives were worsened more by the legalities of drugs than the actual drugs themselves. If you can't hold down a job while still getting inebriated, then that is your problem. Don't take away the freedom of others just because you don't like it.
Posted on 9/21/17 at 4:54 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Graphs that end in 2012 conveniently leave out the upturn obama engineered in the 2015-16 timeframe
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