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re: Former Olympic Athlete turned nurse handcuffed by Billy Badass cop
Posted on 9/1/17 at 5:58 pm to BigJim
Posted on 9/1/17 at 5:58 pm to BigJim
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She was literally on the phone with her admin that was explaining why she couldn't do it.
She should not have had them on the phone. They should have Been there in person. Or punt to the house supervisor.
What you also don't want is an adversarial relationship between cops and your ER. shite happens in the ER and cops will find somewhere else to be.
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Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:00 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
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I don't think he even cared about the blood at that point.
It became simply Contempt of Cop arrest.
She defied him and he was going to put her in her place.
Sounds like the fired Trooper who was pissed that Sandra Bland refused to put out her cigarette sitting inside her own vehicle.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:09 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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What you also don't want is an adversarial relationship between cops and your ER. shite happens in the ER and cops will find somewhere else to be.
Truth. Lol in the ER security gets called frequently for combative patients. You don't want cops taking their time to go help out because of adversarial relationships with the ER staff, good people could get hurt.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:15 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Why did this nurse give a shite?
Because she didnt want to be charged with battery and or sued and or lose her job or her license.
Its not like she had much to lose...
This post was edited on 9/1/17 at 6:34 pm
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:17 pm to BigJim
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He comes in an ambulance or not at all.
FIFY
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:18 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Because she didnt want to be charged with batter and or sued and or lose her job or her license.
Very hard to make that stick with a cop instructing you. Need malice really or incompetence.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:25 pm to LSU alum wannabe
People like you are the reason why HIPAA is a necessary pain in all of our asses
This post was edited on 9/1/17 at 6:25 pm
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:26 pm to LSU alum wannabe
But you would get exactly that.
"She was go stupid and incompetent she took blood when CLEALY hospital instructions told her not to".
Try getting around that if you are the nurse.
She was protecting he own arse (and absolutely rightfully so).
"She was go stupid and incompetent she took blood when CLEALY hospital instructions told her not to".
Try getting around that if you are the nurse.
She was protecting he own arse (and absolutely rightfully so).
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:31 pm to anc
I trust cops less than I trust hardened criminals these days.
Low pay and low standards have resulted in the only people who become cops these days are a bunch of roided up meatheads just looking to abuse their power, kick some arse, and occasionally kill you family pet
Low pay and low standards have resulted in the only people who become cops these days are a bunch of roided up meatheads just looking to abuse their power, kick some arse, and occasionally kill you family pet
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:33 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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Very hard to make that stick with a cop instructing you. Need malice really or incompetence.
To be fired? Not following protocol will do that, or the law.
To be sued? Simply a preponderence of the evidence she illegally gave away blood to an unauthorized person.
To be charged? Simply that she stuck a needle in someone without authorization. Especially if the person presses charges.
To lose her license? See 2, or 3...
What do you think you could get away with if a cop tells you to do it? Theres been no shortage of crimes committed like that...
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:35 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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What you also don't want is an adversarial relationship between cops and your ER. shite happens in the ER and cops will find somewhere else to be
Or maybe the next time a cop gets shot the er department will take their time taking care of him.
Hopefully you realize how stupid both your and my scenarios sounds
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:40 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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I've drawn countless samples on drunks for DPS in years past.
Guy was a critical unconscious probably intubated patient. Probably had extra vials of his blood laying around.
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LSU alum wannabe
Better hope no one finds out who you are and what hospital you work at if you think just letting people frick around with your patients is cool especially if they don't have a warrant or he's not under arrest.
You just shite all over HIPAA in one post.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:40 pm to tatervol
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Or maybe the next time a cop gets shot the er department will take their time taking care of him.
Hopefully you realize how stupid both your and my scenarios sounds
Nope, I just realize how stupid yours sounds. Mostly because you didn't quote my scenario at all.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:43 pm to LSU alum wannabe
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What you also don't want is an adversarial relationship between cops and your ER.
Maybe Cops should be following the law they're enforcing and come with a warrant next time instead of demanding doctors and patients unethically shite all over HIPAA to cover their own asses?
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:49 pm to memphis tiger
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just looking to abuse their power
Power is very seductive.
And the position by its very nature and circumstance is easy to abuse especially without proper education or training.
People think the modern police state is something new but abuse of power was actually far more rampant back when we had no controls and oversight was a joke and of course, no cell phones or body cameras.
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cops these days are a bunch of roided up meatheads
Cops could definitely improve their image and have less confrontational encounters if they all stopped being shaved-head muscle freaks that frankly resemble the Neo-Nazis CNN is complaining about today.
Americans see this walking up to their car and say shite, this guy is going to act like a bully.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 6:53 pm to Sentrius
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Better hope no one finds out who you are and what hospital you work at if you think just letting people frick around with your patients is cool especially if they don't have a warrant or he's not under arrest.
You just shite all over HIPAA in one post.
Not necessarily.
If unconscious/critical, the on duty physician could order the blood test with/without being ordered by DPS, and DPS would have a document to subpoena. The main problem in this situation is the cop was ordering the blood draw, not the doc.
I know we agree on the nurse's decision, but I am kinda confused on why an ER doc didn't intervene.
A quick "this patient is under my care, if you want tests done come back with a medical degree or a warrant, otherwise you are harassing my busy nurses blah blah detrimental to delivery of care my whole department".
Posted on 9/1/17 at 7:08 pm to AMS
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If unconscious/critical, the on duty physician could order the blood test with/without being ordered by DPS, and DPS would have a document to subpoena.
That would be apart of normal procedure to examine the patient and determine how best to treat him.
A blood draw for investigation's sake and nothing to do with the patient's well being is prohibited if there's no warrant or the patient is not under arrest. Even the results of the blood taken under the draw used to to determine how to treat him is prohibited if no warrant/subpoena.
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I know we agree on the nurse's decision, but I am kinda confused on why an ER doc didn't intervene.
A quick "this patient is under my care, if you want tests done come back with a medical degree or a warrant, otherwise you are harassing my busy nurses blah blah detrimental to delivery of care my whole department".
It's Utah full of mormons dude. They're just shell shocked at a violent a-hole cop acting like a violent a-hole cop and just inevitably frozen in place.
Utah is not a place where you expect to find a-hole cops like this guy.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 7:29 pm to anc
We are lucky the idiot cop kept his body cam on. All the more reason to require them on every officer with no off switch.
Posted on 9/1/17 at 7:31 pm to anc
that cop should be personally responsible to pay her no less then a $1 million dollar settlement for what he did to her IMHO
this was totally uncalled for and he committed criminal assault on this woman and abused his authority
this was totally uncalled for and he committed criminal assault on this woman and abused his authority
Posted on 9/1/17 at 7:37 pm to AMS
quote:I got the impression that he wanted to take custody of the sample right away as well.
If unconscious/critical, the on duty physician could order the blood test with/without being ordered by DPS, and DPS would have a document to subpoena. The main problem in this situation is the cop was ordering the blood draw, not the doc.
quote:He was in the burn unit so the doctors may have been on call. The nurses probably run the unit. Or the regular doctor could have been hiding.
I know we agree on the nurse's decision, but I am kinda confused on why an ER doc didn't intervene.
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