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re: Don't take the Bible literally says scholar who brought earliest Latin analysis of Gospels
Posted on 8/28/17 at 6:05 am to sugar71
Posted on 8/28/17 at 6:05 am to sugar71
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Who gets to choose what is meant literally or figuratively?
I don't know about choose, but the Catechism of the Catholic Church defines what literal and spiritual means in terms of Biblical texts:
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The senses of Scripture
115 According to an ancient tradition, one can distinguish between two senses of Scripture: the literal and the spiritual, the latter being subdivided into the allegorical, moral and anagogical senses. The profound concordance of the four senses guarantees all its richness to the living reading of Scripture in the Church.
116 The literal sense is the meaning conveyed by the words of Scripture and discovered by exegesis, following the rules of sound interpretation: "All other senses of Sacred Scripture are based on the literal."83
117 The spiritual sense. Thanks to the unity of God's plan, not only the text of Scripture but also the realities and events about which it speaks can be signs.
1. The allegorical sense. We can acquire a more profound understanding of events by recognizing their significance in Christ; thus the crossing of the Red Sea is a sign or type of Christ's victory and also of Christian Baptism.84
2. The moral sense. The events reported in Scripture ought to lead us to act justly. As St. Paul says, they were written "for our instruction".85
3. The anagogical sense (Greek: anagoge, "leading"). We can view realities and events in terms of their eternal significance, leading us toward our true homeland: thus the Church on earth is a sign of the heavenly Jerusalem.86
The literal sense is not necessarily the words, but the meaning of the words.
If 200 years from now, someone reads a news story from today that says it was "raining cats and dogs", does it literally mean it was raining cats and dogs? No. "Raining cats and dogs" is an allegorical statement. But without understanding the culture of the day, someone in 2200 might take that to mean it was actually raining cats and dogs.
This post was edited on 8/28/17 at 6:07 am
Posted on 8/28/17 at 6:16 am to Bench McElroy
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scholars
Have been saying forever not to believe the Bible; I'll believe what God says over all of the scholars
Posted on 8/28/17 at 6:36 am to Wtodd
How do you know what God says?
Posted on 8/28/17 at 6:39 am to FightinTigersDammit
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The Gospels can't even agree what time of day Christ was crucified.
That's objectively false. Don't let your ignorance of Hebrew Culture get in the way.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 6:48 am to fr33manator
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Gospels by fr33manator
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build an enormous ship in a week with Bronze Age technology,
Gospels are not Old Testament
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:01 am to Abadeebadaba
Anyone who takes the story of the Ark literally may be retarded.
2 of every species on earth? Think of how vast that is.
2 of every species on earth? Think of how vast that is.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:04 am to terriblegreen
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2 of every species on earth? Think of how vast that is.
It wasn't two of every species. For instance, the dinosaurs refused to get on the Ark, so he didn't have to take them.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:13 am to SamuelClemens
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must be referring to the Southern Baptists. They believe in the Santa Clause all you can eat buffet type of Heaven
Link?
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:21 am to eric4UA08
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I am pretty sure the book of Genesis points out that it took well over 100 years to build
No it doesn't.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:30 am to Cowboyfan89
Half of td defends this indefensible.
Dug in and refuse to learn new anything. Good enough for grandma.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:37 am to Cowboyfan89
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I'm Catholic, and have never once taken this as literal, no matter how much the church wants to act like it is.
The Catholic Church has never taught that the planet is only 6,000 years old.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:43 am to Mo Jeaux
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How do you know what God says?
How do you not know?
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:44 am to RollTide1987
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The Catholic Church has never taught that the planet is only 6,000 years old.
Already covered this before, I meant people, not the Catholic church. Just typed the wrong thing and didn't feel like going back to change one word.
There are people who believe everything in the Bible is literal. There are also people (mostly the same people) that believe dinosaurs weren't real because they aren't mentioned in the bible.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:46 am to FightinTigersDammit
Cain and Abel were the first two children mentioned due to their significance in the story. Doesn't mean that there were not others born before them. They were mentioned because it is the first recorded murder and played a big role in the direction that "fallen" man would take.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:49 am to Pepe Lepew
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Wow, a religious thread not whacked? What gives?
I, too, am surprised.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 7:55 am to Abadeebadaba
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Most people that I have met think the biblical flood lasted only a little over 40 days and 40 nights.
That's how long it rained, but how long did it take for the global flood's waters to drain away to...where?
Posted on 8/28/17 at 8:02 am to HempHead
There is evidence everywhere of a huge flood. I dont think God is limited in what He can do even if we find it absurd. I do struggle with how literal to take a lot of Genesis. I certainly wouldnt say that there is no possibility that the stories are literal.
I always come back to this, whether it be a debate about literalness, or theology like Armenian vs Calvanist, God is supremely sovereign and works beyond our understanding.
I always come back to this, whether it be a debate about literalness, or theology like Armenian vs Calvanist, God is supremely sovereign and works beyond our understanding.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 8:04 am to Bench McElroy
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Lost for 1,500 years, the fourth-century commentary by African-born Italian bishop Fortunatianus of Aquileia interprets the Gospels as a series of allegories instead of a literal history.
And I love how Dr. Houghton leaves out the pesky fact that Fortunatianus was likely a believer in Arianism - the greatest heresy of the early Church. Arianists essentially believed that Christ was the Son of God but was subordinate and not of one substance with the Father.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 8:19 am to RollTide1987
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When God said, "Let us make man in our own image", who was he talking to?
That would be the Trinity. Humans are made in the Image of God, and part of that is the Trinity. Shows the relational aspect that we were made in. We are inherently social, called to lead others to sanctification, and called to live a life of love to do that. It is through relationships with others that man comes to know his vocation.
Posted on 8/28/17 at 8:26 am to gthog61
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All talk about improbable stories aside, I find it fascinating that a lot of the advice of the Bible still has relevance considering it was written by somebody who had to be a lot more primitive than anybody today.
I think humans are more simple and primitive now than ancient times. Look at the amazing things built by the ancients. They didnt have millenia of math concepts already figured out. They had to do it themselves. We just were able to recently translate trigonomic
tables from the Babylonian empire era that are easier to use than what we use today.
Hell look at Seneca's letters. Stoicism is a concept that seems to be written for our times, yet was written during the reign of Nero.
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