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More evidence that math is x-ist: Algebra is a "civil rights issue"
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:23 pm
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what's ironic is that he promotes using stats to replace algebra...well... he forgets that statistics is a racist subject
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Eloy Ortiz Oakley, chancellor of California Community Colleges, made the argument while speaking with NPR. He pegged algebraas overly burdensome due to the disproportionate rate at which it prevents students from graduating from community colleges; nearly 50 percent of community college students do not complete their math requirement.
“This is a civil rights issue, but this is also something that plagues all Americans — particularly low-income Americans,” said Oakley. “If you think about all the underemployed or unemployed Americans in this country who cannot connect to a job in this economy — which is unforgiving of those students who don’t have a credential — the biggest barrier for them is this algebra requirement. It’s what has kept them from achieving a credential.”
what's ironic is that he promotes using stats to replace algebra...well... he forgets that statistics is a racist subject
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O'Neil, who has a PhD in mathematics from Harvard, has done stints in academia, at a hedge fund during the financial crisis and as a data scientist at a startup. It was there -- in conjunction with work she was doing with Occupy Wall Street -- that she become disillusioned by how people were using data.
"I worried about the separation between technical models and real people, and about the moral repercussions of that separation," O'Neill writes.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:25 pm to SlowFlowPro
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He pegged algebraas overly burdensome due to the disproportionate rate at which it prevents students from graduating from community colleges; nearly 50 percent of community college students do not complete their math requirement.
“This is a civil rights issue, but this is also something that plagues all Americans — particularly low-income Americans,”
So this piece of shite moron thinks that everyone DESERVES to graduate from college.
Therefore if they arent it isnt because they failed, it;s because "racism"
I hope these people all fall into a deep hole.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
Fun fact: Some people have to work harder to be successful at specific tasks/jobs/challenges. Shocking, I know.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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in conjunction with work she was doing with Occupy Wall Street -- that she become disillusioned by how people were using data.
No.
She got disillusioned because the DATA DIDN'T FIT HER PRECONCEIVED WORLDVIEW.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
Marxism applied to college.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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More evidence that math is x-ist: Algebra is a "civil rights issue"
This is a level lower on the stupid scale from the fruits & veggies; level 16 stupid
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:28 pm to CptBengal
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So this piece of shite moron thinks that everyone DESERVES to graduate from college.
basically
and i'm over here stunned that calculus isn't a required course for all majors
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:30 pm to SlowFlowPro
The whole point of Education being used in the job screening process is that theoretically it sets the floor for what an employer can expect from that given job applicant
That floor is created by the fact that the employer knows the job applicant completed a certain batch of courses
This idiot seems to think that if you take away one of those courses that they value of the particular educational achievement will remain the same
America is widely populated by complete economic morons
That floor is created by the fact that the employer knows the job applicant completed a certain batch of courses
This idiot seems to think that if you take away one of those courses that they value of the particular educational achievement will remain the same
America is widely populated by complete economic morons
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
So, we create more jobs by graduating kids?
This is nonsensical. It's always better to be smarter in the job market.
What's next...compel employers to hire people that can't find x.
This is nonsensical. It's always better to be smarter in the job market.
What's next...compel employers to hire people that can't find x.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:39 pm to SlowFlowPro
Edit: I just realized he's referring to a college algebra requirement. That seemed so ridiculous that I thought he was discussing high school algebra, and people who aren't going to go to college. So now his argument is even more ridiculous, but I'll keep my initial post below anyways since I do think it's a practical issue.
These arguments really irritate me, not just because they are absurd, but because there is actually valid argument within it; however, it gets lost in the nonsense.
In other words, we are so focused on college preparation, even though that's not a practical goal for many, that we diminish other valid and useful options (e.g., vocational). So yeah, if college is an unrealistic goal, but graduation is often a requirement for the reasonable goals, then it doesn't make sense to force those people to pursue coursework that is not aligned with the most realistic path for success.
But of course, rather than addressing a far more pervasive and practical issue, he focuses on some nonsense that unnecessarily narrows the issue and deviates from the practicality.
These arguments really irritate me, not just because they are absurd, but because there is actually valid argument within it; however, it gets lost in the nonsense.
quote:And this I think is a valid point, but it's not exclusive to any demographic, and it's a purely educational issue, specifically priorities.
he biggest barrier for them is this algebra requirement. It’s what has kept them from achieving a credential.
In other words, we are so focused on college preparation, even though that's not a practical goal for many, that we diminish other valid and useful options (e.g., vocational). So yeah, if college is an unrealistic goal, but graduation is often a requirement for the reasonable goals, then it doesn't make sense to force those people to pursue coursework that is not aligned with the most realistic path for success.
But of course, rather than addressing a far more pervasive and practical issue, he focuses on some nonsense that unnecessarily narrows the issue and deviates from the practicality.
This post was edited on 7/21/17 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:40 pm to SlowFlowPro
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SlowFlowPro
You son of a bitch.
You appropriated my post to you in another thread. Yet another appropriation by a cis-het-white male.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
I took some stats classes and I'm pretty sure I needed a basic understanding of algebra to manipulate those equations to something useful
if you cant grasp algebra, you dont deserve to graduate college
if you cant grasp algebra, you dont deserve to graduate college
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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and i'm over here stunned that calculus isn't a required course for all majors
It would be nice. I'd include a rhetoric class (as in classic rhetoric), logic, a programming language or some other analytical subject.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:44 pm to Tiguar
i dominated college-level algebra in 8th and 10th grades and i was REALLY good at math. i don't think i was ready for stats
serious question (i never took stats in college): can you really do much with stats without calculus?
serious question (i never took stats in college): can you really do much with stats without calculus?
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
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the biggest barrier for them is this algebra requirement. It’s what has kept them from achieving a credential
Am I the only one that feels like you don't deserve a degree if you can't pass a simple Algebra class? This is stuff that is taught in 8 and 9th grade.
On another note, removing Algebra from any curriculum just devalues the corresponding degree. Like another posted said, employers have an expectation of the employee based on the course work. If the course work isn't there, they're less inclined to hire an individual with "X" Degree.
How this is a civil rights issue I have no idea. Are blacks the only ones who struggle with Algebra? Maybe they should focus on why they're struggling with it in the first place?
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
I'm starting to believe that "Civil Rights" and the broader use of "Human Rights" is just a backdoor for Marxism.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:45 pm to crazy4lsu
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It would be nice.
legit 100% blew my mind in 2001 when i got to LSU that some majors didn't have to take Calculus
reminded me of doing the trig tests in placement and it was easy as shite and all the kids (in the ENGINEERING section) after asked me how i did it without a calculator
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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can you really do much with stats without calculus?
Stats can prepare you for Production and Operations Mgmt and some T-Log related courses in Business School.
Posted on 7/21/17 at 1:46 pm to ibleedprplngld
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Am I the only one that feels like you don't deserve a degree if you can't pass a simple Algebra class? This is stuff that is taught in 8 and 9th grade.
you're not
essentially their argument is "college degrees are so important they are effectively rights and therefore shouldn't have any barriers". the completely ignore how this exact thinking is why college education has become so devalued, creating the very barriers they're trying to fight
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