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When did the German soldiers of WWII realize they were the 'bad guys'?

Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:37 pm
Posted by Undertow
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:37 pm
I know the average soldier was probably a normal guy just fighting for his country and not necessarily bad but at what point did the rank and file realize that their leaders were evil?
Posted by GetCocky11
Calgary, AB
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:39 pm to
During the Russian winter in 1941-1942.

Losing tends to make one rethink things.
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
68387 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:40 pm to
When the emperor got thrown down the elevator shaft on the dwath star.


Seriously, i dunno. Did they ever?
Posted by MusclesofBrussels
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:43 pm to
Posted by WiredBobcat
Northshore
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:43 pm to
At some point during the war, the average soldier probably heard rumors or knew about the mass killing of Jews in their concentration camps.
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
17547 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:45 pm to
You have to remember the ideology that Hitler spread. He galvanized that nation like no one ever really has in such a short time. That alone distorts one's view.
Posted by LucasP
Member since Apr 2012
21618 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:48 pm to
The swastikas should have been a dead giveaway.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:49 pm to
quote:

I know the average soldier was probably a normal guy just fighting for his country and not necessarily bad but at what point did the rank and file realize that their leaders were evil?



Well, many of the nazi soldiers had no choice but to do what they did. It was either do what they were told or they would be killed so I am sure there were many who didn't agree with what Hitler was trying to do and realized they were fighting against forces trying to stop them,
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:54 pm to
They weren't "bad" until they lost. Victor writes history.
Posted by Loungefly85
Lafayette
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:56 pm to
Slightly off topic but I also loved the story of Erich Hartmann, a Luftwaffe ace. He didn't take shite from his Soviet captors. He even beat the shite out of one that was interrogating him.

The eventually tried to place him in the East German air force while in captivity and he answered with this..

quote:

If, after I am home in the West, you make me a normal contract offer, a business deal such as people sign every day all over the world, and I like your offer, then I will come back and work with you in accordance with the contract. But if you try to put me to work under coercion of any kind, then I will resist to my dying gasp.
This post was edited on 7/18/17 at 2:56 pm
Posted by arktiger28
Member since Aug 2005
4806 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 2:57 pm to
I recently read Shadow Divers about the missing U Boat found in New Jersey Waters. Towards the end of the book they did an overview of the lives of the crew. The officers all hated Hitler with a passion for what he had done to the country. They were just all to scared to say anything to one another or each other because they didn't know who to trust. They were all just doing their duty for their country. It really got me interested in this very subject.
Posted by prplhze2000
Parts Unknown
Member since Jan 2007
51505 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 3:03 pm to
They didn't. Read Black Edelweiss.
Posted by TejasHorn
High Plains Driftin'
Member since Mar 2007
10995 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 3:07 pm to
Realistically, the average soldier was so screened from real news and the concentration camps. It wasn't until near the end or after the war they realized it.
Posted by Collegedropout
Where Northern Mexico meets Dixie
Member since May 2017
5202 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 3:07 pm to
perhaps when they were using the masturbation machines on people.

or when they were turning people's skin into soap.

or maybe when they were turning their skin into lampshades.
Posted by SaturdayTraditions
Down Seven Bridges Rd
Member since Sep 2015
3284 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 3:22 pm to
quote:

When did the German soldiers of WWII realize they were the 'bad guys'? by Undertow


When the second guy posted the same thing?

This isn't a very good joke.
Posted by rmnldr
Member since Oct 2013
38249 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 3:36 pm to
Most didn't and really shouldn't have thought they were. The average German soldier didn't commit war crimes or do anything particularly bad (for war). Many of them maintained that they were doing something good (defending Europe against communism).
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
7692 posts
Posted on 7/18/17 at 3:50 pm to
As people have mentioned a generation grew up with the Nazis rebuilding after WWI. These were the diehard fodder outside the core members. The old warhorses went along with the German profession because they were professionals but they had no love of the Nazis party or Hitler. Paulus infamously refused to die for the little colonel at Stalingrad and sent out an underling to negotiate surrender of the army and his capture.

One sub captain at least was relieved of command by his crew for taking down Hitler's portrait while saying there will be no idolatry here.

As for Britain, had Hitler not ordered bombing away from the RAF bases it would have knocked out the will. Instead attacking the cities gave the RAF breathing room and Churchill enough propaganda to stay in the saddle.

Berlin you had the Nazi youth, old men seeing annihilation, what remained of the military that hadn't moved west to surrender to UK and US, and the Charlemagne division. None of the fodder would admit they were bad, hell our own sub command stood up for Donitz at the trials.

Bless Zhukov for sending his boys to die instead of ours.
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 3:53 pm to
When they put on a uniform that had a skull and crossbones on it
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 3:56 pm to
I'd also point out that Hitler wasn't exactly quiet about his beliefs. He tamed it down, sure, but Mein Kampf is ripe with anti-semitic content. If you knew anything about him, you knew he was an evil dude.
Posted by Kingpenm3
Xanadu
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 7/18/17 at 4:35 pm to
quote:

I know the average soldier was probably a normal guy just fighting for his country and not necessarily bad but at what point did the rank and file realize that their leaders were evil?



Probably would have never thought they were the bad guys if they kept winning.

"Winners write the history books"

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