You are never going to get a full blown cannonball shot to the head. Your voice does not count more than the moderates voice do.

Pass this bill with some amendments for Cruz and Lee and then start there, win some more seats in the midterms and then keep chipping away at it to keep perfecting it. It's what democrats would've done and they've made an art out of that.

ObamaCare will be repealed by a thousand cuts, not a single stab in the gut.

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Posted by goldennugget

Hating Masks

Member since Jul 2013

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Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:11 pm to Sentrius

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You are never going to get a full blown cannonball shot to the head. Your voice does not count more than the moderates voice do.

Pass this bill with some amendments for Cruz and Lee and then start there, win some more seats in the midterms and then keep chipping away at it to keep perfecting it. It's what democrats would've done and they've made an art out of that.

ObamaCare will be repealed by a thousand cuts, not a single stab in the gut.

This

In order to get full repeal you have to first pass this bill perhaps with amendments. Otherwise it will never happen. A full repeal will take 60 votes and that just isn't happening right now. This bill is pretty much the first step to full repeal.

I still think a lot of the conservative opposition to this bill is bought & paid for by interests who want Obamacare to stay in place. Like I said controlled opposition. These politicians will fold like a cheap suit on issues like the debt ceiling, spending increases, omnibus bills, Paul Ryan for Speaker, etc. and only seem to take a conservative stand when it doesn't make sense.

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Posted by Doc Fenton

New York, NY

Member since Feb 2007

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Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:33 pm to Sentrius

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Pass this bill with some amendments for Cruz and Lee and then start there, win some more seats in the midterms and then keep chipping away at it to keep perfecting it. It's what democrats would've done and they've made an art out of that.

ObamaCare will be repealed by a thousand cuts, not a single stab in the gut.

I concur.

I haven't looked into the details of the McConnell bill yet, but I've posted before about the reasons why I supported passing Ryan's AHCA as part of the larger 3-phase strategy.

I'll also add a few new points here:

#1. You can only do so much with a reconciliation process that doesn't allow significant budget changes.

#2. It would be a political disaster for the Republicans not to repeal the individual mandate and other parts of ObamaCare.

#3. I think people are exaggerating the political effects of the GOP owning a bad health care system after passing the bill. (They will own it no matter what from being the majority party.) The same people on the right will blame the left, and the same people on the left will blame the right. Nobody is expecting a miracle overhaul of the gigantic health care sector overnight.

This post was edited on 6/22/17 at 8:35 pm

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Posted by DaGarun

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Member since Nov 2007

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Posted on 6/22/17 at 8:35 pm to Sentrius

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It's what democrats would've done and they've made an art out of that

But its not what they did...odd comment

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ObamaCare will be repealed by a thousand cuts, not a single stab in the gut.

I think you are fooling yourself if you think Obamacare is going to be repealed. It may change names, but its core provisions are already institutionalized (unfortunately)

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