Started By
Message
locked post

‘Propaganda’: Top MIT Climate Scientist Trashes ‘97% Consensus’ Claim

Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:23 am
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
119042 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:23 am
LINK

quote:

Dr. Richard Lindzen is sick and tired of the media repeating the so-called “97 percent consensus” statistic to show just how strong the global warming agreement is among climate scientists. It’s purely “propaganda,” argues Lindzen.

“It was the narrative from the beginning,” Lindzen, a climatologist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT), told RealClear Radio Hour host Bill Frezza Friday. “In 1998, [NASA’s James] Hansen made some vague remarks. Newsweek ran a cover that says all scientists agree. Now they never really tell you what they agree on.”

“It is propaganda,” Lindzen said. “So all scientists agree it’s probably warmer now than it was at the end of the Little Ice Age. Almost all Scientists agree that if you add CO2, you will have some warming. Maybe very little warming.”

“But it is propaganda to translate that into it is dangerous and we must reduce CO2,” he added.


quote:

A paper by five leading climatologists published in the journal Science and Education found only 41 out of the 11,944 published climate studies examined in Cook’s study explicitly stated mankind has caused most of the warming since 1950 — meaning the actual consensus is 0.3 percent.

“It is astonishing that any journal could have published a paper claiming a 97% climate consensus when on the authors’ own analysis the true consensus was well below 1%,” said Dr. David Legates, a geology professor at the University of Delaware and the study’s lead author.


Posted by LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Member since Jan 2008
13610 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:25 am to
Dims lying to push their narrative?!? Say it ain't so....
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
Throbbing Member
Member since Dec 2012
69945 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:29 am to
IOSH is gonna be so fricking triggered
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
Bat'n Rudge
Member since Oct 2004
57374 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:35 am to
He will be sent to be re-educated only to never be heard from again.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11091 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:40 am to
Where have we seen this before....




link

quote:

I Can't Believe It's Not Science


Check out the rhetoric...

Lot of "settlers" back then also...

quote:

For nearly half a century, the U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) have put out dietary guidelines telling Americans to eat less sodium, cholesterol, and saturated fat — i.e., red meat and full-fat dairy, including butter — and to eat more whole grains, fruits, and vegetables, among other directives. These recommendations emanated from hearings held in the mid-to-late 1970s by the Senate Select Committee on Nutrition and Human Needs, despite a “boisterous mob of critics,” including those within the scientific community who pleaded with the Committee to wait for more research “before we make announcements to the American public.” In response, Committee Chairman Sen. McGovern responded that “Senators don’t have the luxury that the research scientist does of waiting until every last shred of evidence is in.”



quote:

Since the Committee issued its report in 1977, those patient research scientists have repeatedly called into question or undermined many of the Committee’s original recommendations. Increasing the level of dietary salt, for example, appears to lead to hypertension only in a small percentage of the population; and in some, lowering dietary salt can, in fact, result in higher blood pressure. Moderate levels of dietary cholesterol no longer seems to be linked to heart disease. And full-fat dairy has been shown to reduce the risk of obesity and diabetes.


quote:

Scientific progress is not achieved via committee — whether Congressional or scientific. Rather, science advances toward an understanding of reality through years — often decades — of research, with scientists fighting for their own hypotheses. They present, defend, test, and modify their ideas over time. Whichever side offers the most compelling argument “wins” by gradually becoming the predominant theory. Soon, other researchers gravitate toward that theory, basing their own research on it.

Congress, of course, is an inherently political entity. And so when it — or any other government-appointed body — privileges one theory over another, it creates bias that trickles down to the research community. The problem is not simply that the government makes decisions on the basis of imperfect information, but that government intervention, itself, can distort the development of research.




quote:

Men who have excessive faith in their theories or ideas are not only ill prepared for making discoveries; they also make very poor observations. Of necessity, they observe with a preconceived idea, and when they devise an experiment, they can see, in its results, only a confirmation of their theory. In this way they distort observation and often neglect very important facts because they do not further their aim…. But it happens further quite naturally that men who believe too firmly in their theories, do not believe enough in the theories of others. So the dominant idea of these despisers of their fellows is to find others’ theories faulty and to try to contradict them. The difficulty, for science, is still the same.

CLAUDE BERNARD, An Introduction to the Study of Experimental Medicine, 1865


Posted by Mac
Forked Island, USA
Member since Nov 2007
14659 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:48 am to
quote:

A paper by five leading climatologists published in the journal Science and Education found only 41 out of the 11,944 published climate studies examined in Cook’s study explicitly stated mankind has caused most of the warming since 1950 — meaning the actual consensus is 0.3 percent.


That looks like some data that needs adjustin'
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
68267 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:52 am to
johcolemanblog

Also check out John Coleman, who founded the weather channel, he has a lot of AGW take down information.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48545 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 8:54 am to
He's going to die soon.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:08 am to
quote:

Dr. Richard Lindzen
No PhD in Astrophysics, no care.
Posted by olddawg26
Member since Jan 2013
24633 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:16 am to
quote:

So all scientists agree it’s probably warmer now than it was at the end of the Little Ice Age. Almost all Scientists agree that if you add CO2, you will have some warming.


It pretty much tells you that 98% of scientists understand that when we add CO2 it warms the planet. For the life of me I don't understand where the miscommunication is if we are, indeed, adding CO2. It's been the hottest years on record recently and we're pouring more into the atmosphere. Why is it so hard to put the giant round peg in the giant round hole and have a grown up conversation
Posted by Machine
Earth
Member since May 2011
6001 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:23 am to
Hey Guyz! We finally found a scientist!

Posted by cito
BR
Member since Nov 2015
805 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:05 am to
This guy get paid by Peabody Energy. A coal company that funds groups contesting climate change. He also believes smoking is weakly linked to causing lung cancer. He gets a boner from being a contrarian.
Posted by ChineseBandit58
Pearland, TX
Member since Aug 2005
42863 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:24 am to
quote:

“So all scientists agree it’s probably warmer now than it was at the end of the Little Ice Age

/\ everlovin' this /\

My question from the begging of this fiasco has been = "How do you recover from an ice age without warming the planet?" - NOBODY has ever answered that.

Are there any "scientists" who proclaim that the ice age is actually over?? It normally takes tens of thousands of years to fully recover from an ice age - it's been less than 15K years since Manhattan Island was under a mile of ice.

quote:

Scientists agree that if you add CO2, you will have some warming

And water vapor is much more of a greenhouse gas than CO2. Adding CO2 is like pissing in the lake.

I consider increased CO2 to be a symptom of global warming rather than a fundamental cause of global warming.

So - does anyone actually think the last ice age is completely done with? OR would we be liable to go back into an ice age were it not for man's meddling with the climate by means of CO2 release. Got to be one or the other.

Climate never stays the same - it either gets warmer or cooler at any particular time since the creation of the planet. IF the current increase in global temperature were actually caused by mankind, that means that without that interference the natural cycle would have been towards another ice age. If that is the case then the CO2 releasers are saving mankind from extinction = current man is not adapted to survive an ice age as were the neanderthals.

On the other hand, if the global warming is natural, then man's contribution is absolutely puny compared to the influence of that huge ball of fire in the sky.
Posted by La Place Mike
West Florida Republic
Member since Jan 2004
28845 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 11:28 am to
quote:

Lindzen, a climatologist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)

Science denier.
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
58198 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:49 pm to
Posted by rhett
Member since Jun 2017
31 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 1:51 pm to
Lindzen also doesn't believe smoking causes lung cancer.
Posted by MikeyFL
Las Vegas, NV
Member since Sep 2010
9613 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 2:01 pm to
Let's see.

We can believe 22 out of 23 professors in Lindzen's distinguished department at MIT.

LINK

Or we can believe Lindzen, a notorious contrarian who also contends that smoking does not cause lung cancer. Lindzen's recent papers have been full of errors and could only be published in obscure Korean journals that basically accept any submission for a price.
Posted by JohnnyU
Florida
Member since Nov 2006
12350 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 4:07 pm to
You guys are hysterical.
Lindzen also has a view that lung cancer has only been weakly linked to smoking.

The Arctic's glaciers are melting and the Antartica's Ice Shelves are melting.
Let's do nothing.

Posted by MasterofTigerBait
Member since May 2009
7594 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 9:40 pm to
quote:

Lindzen clearly relishes the role of naysayer. He'll even expound on how weakly lung cancer is linked to cigarette smoking. He speaks in full, impeccably logical paragraphs, and he punctuates his measured cadences with thoughtful drags on a cigarette.




LINK
Posted by Hog on the Hill
AR
Member since Jun 2009
13389 posts
Posted on 6/6/17 at 10:24 pm to
It's worth pointing out that Lindzen's colleagues at MIT have publicly disagreed with his views on global warming: LINK

quote:

But to his MIT colleagues, the evidence has become overwhelming. Raffaele Ferrari, an oceanographer and the chairman of the MIT climate program, rebutted Lindzen’s main points in the letter to Trump, writing that “the ongoing increase in carbon dioxide concentrations poses a risk to humankind.”

“There is no compelling scientific argument to suggest that these risks are so remote that they can be ignored,” he wrote.

Susan Solomon, a professor of environmental studies in the climate program, said her chief concern is that non-scientists who know little about the issue may assume Lindzen’s views are legitimate because of his status as an MIT professor.

“The truth is there’s a tiny fraction of climate scientists who would agree that his views are correct,” she said. “The risks are much greater than he says.”
first pageprev pagePage 1 of 1Next pagelast page
refresh

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookTwitterInstagram