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re: Louisiana chief justice blasts 'ridiculous' 18-year sentence for marijuana
Posted on 5/6/17 at 7:51 am to Paluka
Posted on 5/6/17 at 7:51 am to Paluka
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State prisoners actually get more educational and vocational services than those who are hospitalized for mental illness.
How much time have you spent in prison?
We have little to no resources dedicated to education and job placement for convicted felons on a per capita basis.
Again, sending people to prison only increases the recidivism rate and violent crime rate.
While drug rehab rates are low, it's a much better option than prison.
And cheaper too.
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Posted on 5/6/17 at 7:52 am to Jimbeaux
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t appears to me that Bernadette Johnson doesn't know that her role as a justice is not the same as a legislator who passes laws, or a district attorney who charges and prosecutes, or a governor who can pardon or commute a sentence.
I feel that is a responsibility of the position she holds. Checks and balances are an important part of our system. Just my .02.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 7:55 am to jimmy the leg
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appears to me that Bernadette Johnson doesn't know that her role as a justice is not the same as a legislator who passes laws
It is her job to determine if the law is unconstitutional and an over bearing jail sentence provided for in a law may just be unconstitutional.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 7:55 am to stewie
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You are right, it may not take the crime aspect completely out of the issue (look at underage drinking and DWI for alcohol) but it would alleviate a substantially burden on our judicial system for something that people have and will do regardless of its criminality.
It is possible. but I have never bought an argument that something should be made legal because people are going to do it anyway. I can't think of a single crime in which people are not doing it anyway. Legality is to help diversion, protection and punishment. Crimes are not on the books thinking that people will suddenly stop doing the crimes. However, we are thinking close together.
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And yes, I can make assumptions about the original felony because statistically in Louisiana, most first crimes committed are drug related crimes.
I won't though, because when i assume things, they are usually incorrect. He clearly has shown no intent to become a law abiding citizen. the fact that he has already been caught with a gun while being a felon shows he could easily become a big danger. MOST people do not intend to hurt others...but things get out of hand and a gun is handy, so they use it. One reason a felon is prohibited from being in possession of a gun is that they are more likely to be in a position to use the gun. Selling drugs is one of these positions he puts himself in that things could spiral out of control.
I am curious why they dropped the gun charges on him in this situation. Seems odd.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 7:58 am to stewie
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It is her job to determine if the law is unconstitutional and an over bearing jail sentence provided for in a law may just be unconstitutional.
Well, she doesn't have the final authority to say if it is Constitutional or not. Regardless, she was the lone justice that dissented. The others saw the sentence as just. That says more than the one dissenter.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 8:02 am to stewie
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How much time have you spent in prison?
You don't have to spend time in prision to knwo this. You can read.
However, my brother used to teach prisoners at Jackson Prison in Georgia psychology. They were offered a wide range of classes.
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Again, sending people to prison only increases the recidivism rate and violent crime rate.
Sending people to prison is for punishment. Period. If they receive education and are attempted to rehabilitate i have no problem with it. But make no mistake that people are sent to prison for punishment.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 8:05 am to DawgsLife
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Selling drugs is one of these positions he puts himself in that things could spiral out of control.
It could happen, the offender here is obviously a dumbass that can't stay out of trouble but 18 frinking years?!?!
But for possessing a little marijuana, the prosecution couldn't trigger the repeate offender statute.
I'm pissed as an LA citizen because my hard earned tax dollars are going to pay for a dumbass so sit in jail for 18 years due to him being a dumbass and possessing some marijuana.
I'd rather punish him by everyone paying taxes in the state getting the chance to back hand him across the face than have him sit for 18years in jail.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 8:08 am to DawgsLife
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Sending people to prison is for punishment.
There is ample federal case law stating the exact opposite.
Also, the LA Supreme Court is extremely conservative and has historically upheld jail sentences that have routinely been held unconstitutional under federal law.
This post was edited on 5/6/17 at 8:10 am
Posted on 5/6/17 at 9:06 am to stewie
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We have little to no resources dedicated to education and job placement
There are construction jobs everywhere.
You don't need much education to hold down a steady job and even advance in many fields.
This is a fricking excuse.
I've hired plenty of ex-cons ... and RARELY does it work out.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 9:10 am to navy
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There are construction jobs everywhere.
Yes but can they pass a drug test for that job...?
I'm advocating the legality of marijuana to tax it. That's it.
They would still have to pass a drug test for work but at least they wouldn't have a wasteful criminal record and zero time in prison.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 10:09 am to ChewyDante
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Let's assume it was something like assault with a deadly weapon and he served the sentence
It should be wiped from the slate
Posted on 5/6/17 at 10:16 am to bmy
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Let's assume it was something like assault with a deadly weapon and he served the sentence
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It should be wiped from the slate
No. It should damn well not. Not until a LONG period of time has passed...and an absolutely clean record during that time.
Sorry ... actions/choices have consequences. Everyone with common sense should know that.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 10:17 am to Big12fan
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Backward southern states
Yeah those progressive west coast states are just full of average rational/sane people.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 10:23 am to The Baker
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Maybe they should stop selling drugs.
The war on drugs is an absolute failure. You think those guys are being rehabilitated?
LA is such a backwards shite hole. They spend way less than the national average on prisoners. They lock users up in these private prisons for years and teach them zero skills to use once out.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 10:44 am to LSUTANGERINE
Bernette Joshua Johnson is terrible
Posted on 5/6/17 at 10:47 am to dgnx6
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The war on drugs is an absolute failure.
There has been no actual war.
Perhaps we should try a real war...not these bitch-arse tactics that we've been using.
Drugs are a fricking absolute failure. They rob people of all they are ... or ever will be. (Talking about the hard shite.)
IDGAF what dope-smokin' losers do....just don't cry when your life sucks, you got 3 baby mommas, and your poor offspring are doomed to failure...and stop fricking stealing shite all the time and being lazy as frick.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 10:49 am to navy
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IDGAF what dope-smokin' losers do.
Hell yeah! I heard dope gives you the queer
Posted on 5/6/17 at 10:50 am to NIH
It turns the freakin frogs gay
Posted on 5/6/17 at 10:51 am to stewie
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How much time have you spent in prison?
We have little to no resources dedicated to education and job placement for convicted felons on a per capita basis
I've treated inmates in both state and Federal prisons. How about you?
I compared the resources for prisoners to patients in psychiatric hospitals. Do some research. The state and federal prisoners have an incredible amount of resources for education, drug and alcohol treatment, vocational training and life skills training.
Psychiatric hospitals have had their budgets and services slashed brutally. There are more Forensic beds per state than psychiatric beds for the civil commitment of seriously mentally ill.
Posted on 5/6/17 at 11:13 am to kingbob
Habitual offender. What were his other felonies?
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