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Saints apparently leaning against Butler trade
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:14 am
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:14 am
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Now that Malcolm Butler signed his contract tender, the New England Patriots can trade the Super Bowl XLIX hero. Bill Belichick would need the right offer to come his way if he's to give up a Pro Bowl-caliber corner playing for dirt cheap.
It sounds like that offer might not come ahead of Thursday's draft in Philadelphia. At least it might not come from the New Orleans Saints.
The Saints were hot after Butler early in the restricted free-agent process, even holding a visit with the corner.
The price tag to bring Butler to New Orleans, however, could be more that Sean Payton and Co. are willing to pay.
TheMMQB's Peter King reported Monday that the Saints are leaning towards keeping their first three picks (11, 32, 42), per a source familiar with the team's thinking. Per King, the Saints believe the depth of the draft could land them several Day 1 contributors between picks 25 and 75. The Saints seem to have soured on the thought of dealing one or more high picks for Butler, and paying the corner a long-term, big-money contract.
While flipping draft picks for an established playmaker seems like a prudent move for a franchise that has repeatedly swung and missed on defensive additions, the Saints appear to value those selections more highly at this stage.
New Orleans owns two first-round picks (11, 32) a high second-rounder (42) and two third-round picks (76, 103). In a draft deep at defensive back, and the Saints needing playmakers at every level to improve a limp defense, sinking multiple assets to acquire Butler doesn't seem as sexy as a few months ago.
There is still a chance before the weekend that the Saints or another club swoops in and offers Belichick a bounty for a player who seems to have an expiration date in New England. If no offer comes, the Patriots will simply head into 2017 with two Pro Bowl-caliber corners as they seek a sixth Super Bowl trophy. Throne of Ease, indeed.
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Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:17 am to sicboy
Good, 2 corners in 1st rd. Is better than we have now.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:18 am to sicboy
Hope this is true, I'd rather us use the picks in the draft
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:20 am to sicboy
Don't have a problem with this at all. Deep draft and low risk moves.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:24 am to sicboy
Fine. Let's just move on and knock it out with the draft. One of Ireland's strengths as a gm in Miami was doing a good job at evaluating the exact types of players we have trouble finding. He brought a lot of talented players into the fold both in the front 7 and in the secondary there but his inability to find a passing game/qb and some questionable financial decisions killed him. I've probably been more critical towards him than most living down here in south Florida but hopefully his influence will be stamped all over this draft.
One thing about the whole Butler saga is the fact that I haven't heard any other teams mentioned as being interested in him( I very well could've missed something). In a league that has become so pass heavy and concerned with stopping the pass it's a little funny that nobody else has been linked with a cb that is considered an all pro at least in title. Many of us have expressed concern about breaking the bank over a guy from the patriots and I feel some teams may have the same feelings. Aqib Talib was a talented but troubled player before moving to NE and has been elite since leaving. If the deal was for a player of his caliber I think many would be for it...but the patriots system, impending financial cost, and asking price are definitely enough to give many pause it seems.
One thing about the whole Butler saga is the fact that I haven't heard any other teams mentioned as being interested in him( I very well could've missed something). In a league that has become so pass heavy and concerned with stopping the pass it's a little funny that nobody else has been linked with a cb that is considered an all pro at least in title. Many of us have expressed concern about breaking the bank over a guy from the patriots and I feel some teams may have the same feelings. Aqib Talib was a talented but troubled player before moving to NE and has been elite since leaving. If the deal was for a player of his caliber I think many would be for it...but the patriots system, impending financial cost, and asking price are definitely enough to give many pause it seems.
This post was edited on 4/24/17 at 8:26 am
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:27 am to sicboy
Exactly why I won't mind at all if we use one of those first 3 on a young(er) CB. Hoody and them want max compensation for this guy, and we are understandably hesitant. See how the chips fall come Thursday and if there's a run on CB's at some point in the first, use 32/42 as a backup plan to get Butler to NOLA.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:31 am to sicboy
I've never been crazy about this trade getting done since we'd likely have to give up one of our 1st rounders for him
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:38 am to sicboy
I was down for the trade but I'm also sort of glad we are keeping the picks.
We haven't drafted well in the past, no, but if we can hit this year's draft like we did last year, getting several key contributors from a variety of positions, then we will still be able to compete.
More than ever though, I'd love to see us trade back just a few slots to pick up an extra 2nd rounder.
We haven't drafted well in the past, no, but if we can hit this year's draft like we did last year, getting several key contributors from a variety of positions, then we will still be able to compete.
More than ever though, I'd love to see us trade back just a few slots to pick up an extra 2nd rounder.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 8:52 am to sicboy
Butler is worth his contract and he's worth a high pick, but he's not worth both. Move on...
Posted on 4/24/17 at 9:19 am to sicboy
I've been saying if the happens it should be with the pick on the clock so you know what the options are.
11 obviously was never on the table, and I'm unsure if 32 would have been (maybe if they struck while the iron was hot and were ready to just get it done, but Butler dragged his feet).
Seems like 42 (and maybe a future 3rd?) would be the top end offer at this point.
Wait until 42 is on the clock and see if you like Butler plus a big deal better than the rookie options or not.
11 obviously was never on the table, and I'm unsure if 32 would have been (maybe if they struck while the iron was hot and were ready to just get it done, but Butler dragged his feet).
Seems like 42 (and maybe a future 3rd?) would be the top end offer at this point.
Wait until 42 is on the clock and see if you like Butler plus a big deal better than the rookie options or not.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 9:37 am to sicboy
Thank God
CB is deep this year no need to throw away a 1st rounder
CB is deep this year no need to throw away a 1st rounder
Posted on 4/24/17 at 9:44 am to sicboy
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Per King, the Saints believe the depth of the draft could land them several Day 1 contributors between picks 25 and 75.
I get it, but the numbers are not in our favor.
In the last 5 years, 126 CBs were selected in the draft. 8 of those CBs have made the Pro Bowl.
5 of them were first rounders. Total, 24 CBs have been selected in the first round in that span.
2 of the Pro Bowlers were 2nd rounders, with 17 being selected in that span.
0 pro bowlers were selected in the 3rd or 4th, with 46 players being selected there in that span.
1 was selected in the 5th round (Josh Norman, for those curious), with 29 players selected there.
I understand it is a deep CB draft, but regardless, the odds are not in our favor. I would be much more comfortable dishing out a pick and a reasonable contract for something much close to a sure-thing, especially now when we need immediate help. How often have rookies made immediate contributions for us in the past few years?
Posted on 4/24/17 at 9:56 am to sicboy
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Bill Belichick would need the right offer to come his way if he's to give up a Pro Bowl-caliber corner playing for dirt cheap.
If we trade the 32, it will essentially be Cooks for Butler. How is that not a good deal?
Posted on 4/24/17 at 9:59 am to sicboy
I hope the trade doesn't go down, never did want it. This is a golden opportunity for the Saints. I just hope they do their homework and don't fall in love with some bum (Antonio Pittman et al.) and don't trade away picks to move up. This is probably Payton's most important draft since his first one. Why? The deepest defensive draft in positions that the Saints need and with 5 picks in the first 3 rounds.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 10:39 am to sicboy
I think what is really going on is we are just playing the game and calling NE bluff on more picks.
if NE comes back and says "ok just give us 32 back and you get butler" then the deal happens.
if not then NE would be smart to take our two 3rd rounders now instead of getting just one compensatory 3rd round pick next year when butler moves to a new team.
if im not mistaken, aren't compensatory picks added on to the end of the rounds as the last picks of those rounds?
if NE comes back and says "ok just give us 32 back and you get butler" then the deal happens.
if not then NE would be smart to take our two 3rd rounders now instead of getting just one compensatory 3rd round pick next year when butler moves to a new team.
if im not mistaken, aren't compensatory picks added on to the end of the rounds as the last picks of those rounds?
Posted on 4/24/17 at 11:03 am to sicboy
Sounds like NE and NO are covering their asses with the league to show that no negotiations occurred prior to Butler signing his tender.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 11:27 am to sicboy
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paying the corner a long-term, big-money contract.
I've been wondering how signing Butler would affect Breaux's free agency next offseason. If we can't establish a decent pass rush this season, is it worth paying $20+ mil/year for 2 CBs? I would think re-signing Breaux would be a pretty high priority.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 11:32 am to sicboy
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TheMMQB's Peter King reported Monday that the Saints are leaning towards keeping their first three picks (11, 32, 42), per a source familiar with the team's thinking.
Posted on 4/24/17 at 12:22 pm to sicboy
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The MMQB first reported that Butler is likely staying with the Patriots.
Per: Reece and Triplett
Posted on 4/24/17 at 1:06 pm to sicboy
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Bill Belichick would need the right offer to come his way if he's to give up a Pro Bowl-caliber corner playing for dirt cheap.
Unlike what Loomis and Peyton did for Cooks.
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