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re: 'Universal' health care will NEVER work
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:38 am to roadGator
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:38 am to roadGator
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No provider is going to want to treat the poor on a subscription basis because of their risk factors.
How would they afford a hospital subscription if they were poor? This would essentially be Darwinism in action.
If they can't afford service they don't get it...
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Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:40 am to redfishfan
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And every single one of those countries has sub par care when compared to the US.
But with better outcomes and longer life expectancy?
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:42 am to NYNolaguy1
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But with better outcomes and longer life expectancy?
Longer life expectancy....
I struggle seeing how longer wait times for needed surgeries would lead to this? Any ideas?
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:42 am to Cocotheape
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They have better health outcomes generally speaking, with a few exceptions like cancer care. Full stop, their care is not worse than ours, it is likely better.
This is not true. No other country that has a population similar to ours is even close. Only the small homogeneous countries are on our level.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:43 am to Taxing Authority
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Healthcare" is a lot cheaper when you just let grandma die.
That's true too.
I'd argue that between end of life care and lifestyle choices that makes up the bulk of the difference in cost between the US and other developed countries.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:43 am to Centinel
I don't know your anecdotes so I couldn't say why they made those decisions. Why don't you ask them yourself?
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:43 am to NYNolaguy1
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But with better outcomes and longer life expectancy?
Homogeneous countries aren't comparable. If you only counted the white people in the US our health outcomes would dominate the world.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:44 am to NYNolaguy1
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I'd argue that between end of life care and lifestyle choices that makes up the bulk of the difference in cost between the US and other developed countries.
I think you're pretty much right on the money here.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:45 am to uway
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struggle seeing how longer wait times for needed surgeries would lead to this? Any ideas?
Not sure what you're trying to get at here?
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:45 am to Cocotheape
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They have better health outcomes generally speaking,
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:45 am to redfishfan
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If you only counted the white people above a certain income point in the US our health outcomes would dominate the world.
FIFY. There is a large population of poor fat lazy white folks.
See: Walmart
This post was edited on 3/31/17 at 9:49 am
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:45 am to uway
Because surgeries that are life or death are not delayed? You may have to wait 6 months for a knee replacement but if yiu need an emergency surgery it is handled immediately, no different than the de facto socialized emergency room care we have
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:45 am to Reubaltaich
Most other countries that have universal healthcare pay a smaller % of their GDP for healthcare....with or without Obamacare we have a shitty, inefficient universal healthcare system in the form of ER visits.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:47 am to redfishfan
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Homogeneous countries aren't comparable
But what about homogenous states? If it was run at the state level, with a homogenous population, would that change your mind? Let's say some very white state, like VT,MA,NH, or Montana, etc.
This post was edited on 3/31/17 at 9:56 am
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:47 am to Centinel
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FIFY. There are a large population poor fat lazy white folks. See: Walmart
No doubt but even with them included we would still be at the top. Our biggest health problem is that we subsidize getting fat and unhealthy by having shitty food stamp programs. Food stamp should pay for bare essentials only.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:47 am to redfishfan
quote:Nor our accident rates, etc. we've eviscerated this "argument" so many times.
This is not true. No other country that has a population similar to ours is even close
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:48 am to Cocotheape
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I don't know your anecdotes so I couldn't say why they made those decisions. Why don't you ask them yourself?
I did. Because the public system sucks. It's the same way all over Germany, and several other European nations.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:48 am to NYNolaguy1
You'd have to cap subscriptions somehow because of demand. A doctor can only see x patients in a day and a hospital only has x beds.
Subscriptions can't work for the entire population unfortunately even as much as IB Freeman wants them to be the answer.
Subscriptions can't work for the entire population unfortunately even as much as IB Freeman wants them to be the answer.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:48 am to Centinel
If you only counted Japanese that worked out at least 2.5 hours a week and also screened for family medical history of cancer their health outcomes would dominate the world!
Playing this carve out game is pointless.
Playing this carve out game is pointless.
Posted on 3/31/17 at 9:49 am to NYNolaguy1
quote:Not only that it's not apples-to-apples. We include long term care under Medi, so it's counted as healthcare. Most other countries don't do that.
I'd argue that between end of life care and lifestyle choices that makes up the bulk of the difference in cost between the US and other developed countries.
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