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re: California lawmaker proposes supervised opiate use

Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:38 pm to
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35525 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:38 pm to
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I'm for it. It cuts out the dealers

Wait. They're actually going to supply them with illegal substances? Seems um... illegal.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261492 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:40 pm to
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I've got to think an actual injection site would be at least as bad.


Eh, I wouldn't mind it so much.
Posted by Spaulding Smails
Milano’s Bar
Member since Jun 2012
18805 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:40 pm to
Heroin is a controlled substance

Doctors prescribe controlled substances all the time
Posted by Master of Sinanju
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:45 pm to
Will this be only for current addicts, or will they let first timers try it out safely under supervision?
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35525 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:48 pm to
The article also mentions crack. I think that's still currently unavailable at Walgreens. The article says "supervised use". Nothing about supplying them.
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92876 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:48 pm to
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Heroin is a controlled substance Doctors prescribe controlled substances all the time


Schedule 1 drugs? As far as I know there is only 1 they ever prescribe and it is VERY hard to get a script for it.
Posted by Spaulding Smails
Milano’s Bar
Member since Jun 2012
18805 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:50 pm to
That's what I'm for...supervised use. That kind of eliminates having to go get your fix from a dealer

Crack cocaine is also a controlled substance.

Drugs are drugs, man.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261492 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:50 pm to
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Wait. They're actually going to supply them with illegal substances? Seems um... illegal


They give you crap for physical pain. Might as well give you stuff for emotional pain or to keep you from withdrawing. I don't see the difference.
Posted by CaliforniaTiger
The Land of Fruits and Nuts
Member since Dec 2007
5303 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:50 pm to
Lsu480, it's not fake news, it was on KCRA Sacramento evening news.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35525 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:50 pm to
They still have to buy if from a dealer, dude.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35525 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:52 pm to
Well, you guys can continue to think this place is going to provide crack and heroin. I remain skeptical. I'm sure they're talking about the Swiss model.
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92876 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 11:54 pm to
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Lsu480, it's not fake news, it was on KCRA Sacramento evening news.


Your thread is fake news. This might help you out: LINK.


Posted by CaliforniaTiger
The Land of Fruits and Nuts
Member since Dec 2007
5303 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 12:00 am to
Lsu480, what's your point? I know what opioids are.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
20619 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 12:02 am to
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At the very least, we need to open all of these drugs up to some of the various medical testing groups. It's so easy to just say yeah drugs ruin lives, but it would be nice to put them through the ringer and see if any of these things can have a positive side.




What?

Opiates have been tested extensively for decades. We know exactly what they can and cannot do.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261492 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 12:02 am to
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Well, you guys can continue to think this place is going to provide crack and heroin. I remain skeptical. I'm sure they're talking about the Swiss model.


The illegal nature of drugs causes most of related societal ills. I hope for a time we get past prohibition.
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
20619 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 12:05 am to
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You're better off bringing it to light and treat it like?a disease.


Helping people inject it is NOT treating it like a disease.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
261492 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 12:06 am to
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Helping people inject it is NOT treating it like a disease


Why not? They're already addicted
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92876 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 12:06 am to
Well if you did you would know heroin isn't one since heroin is an opiate
Posted by Evolved Simian
Bushwood Country Club
Member since Sep 2010
20619 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 12:12 am to
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Why not? They're already addicted




You attempt to cure disease. Not perpetuate it.
Posted by CaliforniaTiger
The Land of Fruits and Nuts
Member since Dec 2007
5303 posts
Posted on 3/23/17 at 12:13 am to
Heroin is an opiate that is the opiod family. I do know a little about pain management.
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