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re: Are corporations people?

Posted on 3/21/17 at 11:28 pm to
Posted by texashorn
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Posted on 3/21/17 at 11:28 pm to
You were clearly separating "optional" religious beliefs with "required" religious beliefs, all to be defined by government.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 3/21/17 at 11:29 pm to
I'll save you from looking it up, he didn't. Not to the degree that I was going for.
This post was edited on 3/21/17 at 11:36 pm
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35250 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 11:35 pm to
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You were clearly separating "optional" religious beliefs with "required" religious beliefs, all to be defined by government.
The other poster was referring to a different example, of a group of 90 students in Colorado singing religious songs and what have you. And for a while the school felt it was fine, until it got that big.

BUT I also said if the school was going to allow that then they would have to allow it for any other religion.

Since he was trying to use that as evidence of Christian banning, in comparison of the Texas school. So yes, in that case, I thought Texas allowing a required prayer of indivdual students was a more reasonable accommodation than a school in Colorado having concerns about a group of near 100 students singing religious songs and having religious discussions as an organized entity.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 3/21/17 at 11:36 pm to
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Are corporations people?



Yes.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 11:39 pm to
No, I recall you deeming the Catholic crucifix as optional and the Muslim prayer as mandatory. As in, favoring a court ruling to that effect.

I sure noticed a lot of optional Muslim prayer rugs in that room. Why not a Catholic crucifix?
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35250 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 11:41 pm to
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No, I recall you deeming the Catholic crucifix as optional
No I said the student had to bring it. In other words, the school couldn't provide it.

Just like the Muslim students should bring their own rugs.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 11:48 pm to
I don't remember it quite like that. You did say "bring the crucifix," but you never answered about hanging it on a wall (such as an already established coat hook) or who would go first with their prayers out loud.

You were very adamant that Muslims prayers out loud were mandatory and that Christian prayers were optional to be said to oneself, therefore the Christians should keep to themselves.
Posted by Five0
Member since Dec 2009
11354 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 11:50 pm to
Yes, except for when it comes to 5th Amendment protections against self incrimination. Next.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 11:53 pm to
Let's get back to the peyote ruling as applied to religious individuals and corporations. Personal use was deemed fine with bona fide religious practices.

How are you automatically extending that to corporate drug trafficking, which is not personal use?

Were the religious peyote users allowed to sell drugs to non-believers? Come on, man.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:03 am to
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You were very adamant that Muslims prayers out loud were mandatory and that Christian prayers were optional to be said to oneself, therefore the Christians should keep to themselves.
No you're just mixing up a whole bunch of different conversations. You said the Catholic would he praying out loud, and they couldn't have seperate rooms, so then I said they should have to figure it out amongst themsleves how to make it work.

But I never said a person should be praying out loud, outside of that room. And I only said that Christians are lucky in that they can say a prayer without a single person knowing. So just because a Christian can do that, and I not feel the need to use the accommodation, then that doesn't make the accommodation wrong.

You're representation is inaccurate so if you're going to make inaccurate claims, maybe you should refer back to the thread.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 12:04 am
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:10 am to
You're leaving so much out. One room in one 30-minute time frame was deemed an appropriate religious accommodation to any religion on their campus.

You agreed with that, but you start shirking away from deciding rights when my scenario verbally conflicts with the Muslim one. You purport to be a man of the law but decide at that point to "let them decide it among themselves."

I know how that would turn out, and so do you. The Muslims would threaten everyone and demand appeasement and total accommodation.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35250 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:18 am to
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You purport to be a man of the law but decide at that point to "let them decide it among themselves."
Yeah. It's called being an adult; good leave by experience. .

You said they could only have one room for 30 minutes, no exception variation. So they can figure out how to coexist in that time, or tough luck.
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The Muslims would threaten everyone and demand appeasement and total accommodation.
Maybe, but I don't know. I know of plenty examples of that occurring, but of course, it's not newsworthy if it doesn't occur. But if they can't handle it, and given the constraints you set forth, then that's their problem.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:31 am to
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You said they could only have one room for 30 minutes, no exception variation.

Umm, no. That was the principal who said that all religions were being accommodated in one room for the same 30 minutes.

You took up for that assertion then started making up variant accommodations that presumably would not be required if you truly did believe he school was accommodating all religions in one room over 30 minutes.

You also started differentiating between required and optional religious practices and scaled rights based on that hierarchy.

Then when faced with reasonable clashes arising from that, you threw up your hands and decided to abandon law on favor of mob rule.
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 12:34 am to
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Yes or no

Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:06 am to
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You've already got a legal fiction practicing religion
Nope. You have owners... who have rights to their own property, like everyone else... making decisions about how they dispense with their property in line with their religious beliefs.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 2:09 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57455 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 2:10 am to
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Do you really want the government deciding what is a legitimate religion and what exceptions should therefore be allowed?
You should have thought about this before government was allowed to participate in healthcare.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54249 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 5:40 am to
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Are corporations people?


As long as "freedom of speech" is interpreted as freedom of physical actions of expression and not just as oral speech, then yes, corporations are people.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
26861 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 5:46 am to
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So the corporation has limited liability?
It has limited everything. Commerce is a human construct (unless you count when chimps pimp other chimps); any right a business has is a right we gave to it and, therefore, can erase.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 5:46 am
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
67517 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 6:24 am to
People, no.....a person, yes
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34815 posts
Posted on 3/22/17 at 6:42 am to
Nope!
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