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re: Are corporations people?

Posted on 3/21/17 at 10:36 pm to
Posted by texashorn
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Posted on 3/21/17 at 10:36 pm to
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I've chartered three corporations. One is Hindu, one is a Jew, and one identifies as Christian. So many options to challenge secular laws and regulations.

You should send this to Jon Stewart, it would go over well with the simpleminded liberals who riot over words like "****rdly."

LINK

This post was edited on 3/21/17 at 10:39 pm
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 3/21/17 at 10:41 pm to
I've talked about this ad nauseum here and I'm on a phone so I won't rehash it, but SCOTUS made a mistake with Hobby Lobby and the answer that didn't lead to absurd consequences lies in business entities 101.
Posted by imjustafatkid
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Posted on 3/21/17 at 10:45 pm to
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SCOTUS made a mistake with Hobby Lobby


Nope
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 3/21/17 at 10:46 pm to
Link to corporations in the Constitution?
This post was edited on 3/21/17 at 10:47 pm
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 3/21/17 at 10:50 pm to
Don't kid me. If Hobby Lobby was a Muslim corporation, you'd be fawning all over giving them a degree of religious rights.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 3/21/17 at 10:55 pm to
That comment right there tells me this conversation is above your pay grade. Come back when you have something substantive to offer...

Like a contemporary writing showing the Framers saw juridical entities as simply alter egos of their individual owners. Or literally anything showing they contemplated the interplay between juridical entities and their constituent individual owners. That's assuming you're a true patriot and an originalist, right?
This post was edited on 3/21/17 at 10:56 pm
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 3/21/17 at 10:56 pm to
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Don't kid me. If Hobby Lobby was a Muslim corporation, you'd be fawning all over giving them a degree of religious rights.
Ahhh your go to "if you don't support the Christian based exception, you must support the Muslims." You're a broken record.
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 3/21/17 at 10:57 pm to
If a Muslim corporation didn't want to employ women or Christians, I'd have no problem with that.

Or homosexuals.
This post was edited on 3/21/17 at 10:57 pm
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80481 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 10:59 pm to
What if my corporation subscribed to a religion that dictated I donate all revenue to charitable causes.

Would I then be exempted from paying taxes?
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 3/21/17 at 11:04 pm to
Your scenario would give corporations MORE religious rights than people and is absurd.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 3/21/17 at 11:08 pm to
You've already got a legal fiction practicing religion so how much further can we go?

How bout the religion that smokes peyote? Can my corporation identify as that religion and traffic a Schedule 1 drug?
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 3/21/17 at 11:11 pm to
That's also been decided as a religious right (versus a privilege) not available to people.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80481 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 11:18 pm to
That's objectively wrong. It absolutely is something protected for individuals under religious freedom.

But do you see how absurd this is and where the slippery slope leads? Do you really want the government deciding what is a legitimate religion and what exceptions should therefore be allowed?

Or the Supreme Court should have given us a treatise on the history and reasons why we create juridical fictions and treat them differently than their individual constituent owners under the law.

Even the majority in Hobby Lobby sought to limit their ruling to that specific case. Tell me how that comports to precedent and the concept of originalism.
This post was edited on 3/21/17 at 11:19 pm
Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 11:22 pm to
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Do you really want the government deciding what is a legitimate religion and what exceptions should therefore be allowed?

Happens all the time. Just yesterday, your boy buckeye_vol was bending over backwards to allow something illegal (separate religious facilities for Muslims in public schools) to comport with a closely held religious belief.
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80481 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 11:23 pm to
I don't care what buckeye said. It's bad long-term policy.

Posted by texashorn
Member since May 2008
13122 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 11:25 pm to
But yeah, you're right, I turned around the classic peyote religious ruling
This post was edited on 3/21/17 at 11:27 pm
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35250 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 11:26 pm to
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I don't care what buckeye said. It's bad long-term policy.
I said that I didn't care of a school provided a room for a Muslims to pray, so long as it was available to anyone.

And it was in the thread about Texas suing for a bible quote. So if they want religion, they can have it.

In the end, I see it as all or nothing. Either everybody can have an accommodation, to privately pray (no more or less) on their own accord, or nobody can have it.
This post was edited on 3/21/17 at 11:27 pm
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80481 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 11:27 pm to
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Justice Marshall seemed to be pretty positive on corporate personhood, too.


I'm about to go to bed, but link? I'd like to read it in the morning.
Posted by ManBearTiger
BRLA
Member since Jun 2007
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Posted on 3/21/17 at 11:28 pm to
Corporations are people.

Almost no corporation is a person.



Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
80481 posts
Posted on 3/21/17 at 11:28 pm to
Yeah, I saw the distinction. It didn't matter much to what we're discussing here and I didn't want to argue with him about it.
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