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Transgender guidance
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:27 am
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:27 am
I am not surprised with the coverage of course but it is disappointing the lack of understanding of Obama's guidance. The pigeon holing to bathrooms is just ridiculous.
Under this guidance, if my fourth grade daughter went to school today and decided she is a boy, she would be treated as such immediately including using the boys bathroom, sports teams, showers to the extent they are there (they are not because it is elementary). But further, the school would NOT be allowed to inform me that my daughter is being treated as a boy. The Guidance explicitly prohibits the communication of these matters to parents.
How can anyone in all seriousness, no matter what side of the aisle you are on, defend that? Serious responses please - I want to try to see that other side that I as a parent have no right to know that.
Under this guidance, if my fourth grade daughter went to school today and decided she is a boy, she would be treated as such immediately including using the boys bathroom, sports teams, showers to the extent they are there (they are not because it is elementary). But further, the school would NOT be allowed to inform me that my daughter is being treated as a boy. The Guidance explicitly prohibits the communication of these matters to parents.
How can anyone in all seriousness, no matter what side of the aisle you are on, defend that? Serious responses please - I want to try to see that other side that I as a parent have no right to know that.
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Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:30 am to igoringa
There is no such thing as a "trans-gendered" person. It is a form of mental illness.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:31 am to igoringa
quote:
I want to try to see that other side that I as a parent have no right to know that.
They're probably trying to protect the kid from any backlash that might come from the parents. Which is insane imo. If I found out my kid thought he was the wrong gender we would be in therapy 5 days a week.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:44 am to TheAlmightySmash
I agree that is probably their logic.
But I am curious who here from the left or wherever defends this piece of guidance noting what I noted.
Truly serious question.
But I am curious who here from the left or wherever defends this piece of guidance noting what I noted.
Truly serious question.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:47 am to igoringa
Ok the other side:
Say there's a trans boy who looks just like a guy, feels like a guy and just wants to be treated as such. He was born with female genitalia but is in all other aspects a boy, thus has always used the boys bathroom with no issues. Now he's forced to use the women's bathroom, and every time he walks in there there will be girls yelling at him to get out because he looks like and is a boy. If that wasn't enough, going into the opposite gender's bathroom is a daily reminder of how different he is and how hard life will be for him under these circumstances. Now everyone is talking about him behind his back, and he's the number one topic of conversation. He's sticking out like a sore thumb in a world where he just wants to be like everyone else. Under these new orders, this is the reality for trans kids at school.
Now I know if you don't believe that trans people exist, then this won't make sense to you, and I'm sorry you can't comprehend it. I was born gay, so I guess maybe I can relate to being born a little bit different. Life was hard for a while but it made me stronger. I can't imagine how hard it would be to be born trans, even in an accepting world. Now under an administration that denies they even exist, much less tries to understand their daily struggles, their life just got so much harder.
I think it's human nature to pretend that people so different than us don't exist. It's easier to brush it aside as a "mental disorder." Trust me I get it, but just realize brushing people aside has real life consequences and if a trans student was already suicidal, this administration didn't help. I still think the majority of people are good, it just sometimes takes meeting and talking to one of the "different" people to truly understand them. Some of you need to try harder.
Say there's a trans boy who looks just like a guy, feels like a guy and just wants to be treated as such. He was born with female genitalia but is in all other aspects a boy, thus has always used the boys bathroom with no issues. Now he's forced to use the women's bathroom, and every time he walks in there there will be girls yelling at him to get out because he looks like and is a boy. If that wasn't enough, going into the opposite gender's bathroom is a daily reminder of how different he is and how hard life will be for him under these circumstances. Now everyone is talking about him behind his back, and he's the number one topic of conversation. He's sticking out like a sore thumb in a world where he just wants to be like everyone else. Under these new orders, this is the reality for trans kids at school.
Now I know if you don't believe that trans people exist, then this won't make sense to you, and I'm sorry you can't comprehend it. I was born gay, so I guess maybe I can relate to being born a little bit different. Life was hard for a while but it made me stronger. I can't imagine how hard it would be to be born trans, even in an accepting world. Now under an administration that denies they even exist, much less tries to understand their daily struggles, their life just got so much harder.
I think it's human nature to pretend that people so different than us don't exist. It's easier to brush it aside as a "mental disorder." Trust me I get it, but just realize brushing people aside has real life consequences and if a trans student was already suicidal, this administration didn't help. I still think the majority of people are good, it just sometimes takes meeting and talking to one of the "different" people to truly understand them. Some of you need to try harder.
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 10:50 am
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:48 am to igoringa
Their guidance should say something like if you have a dick you pee in the men's bathroom if you have a vagina you pee in the woman's bathroom. End of guidance
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:52 am to IdahoTiger
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Say there's a trans boy who looks just like a guy, feels like a guy and just wants to be treated as such.
How one feels about oneself does not necessitate that others treat you according to your self-conception. This is a hard reality.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:53 am to IdahoTiger
Empathy is not welcome on this board. Either make fun of transgender people or GTFO
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:54 am to IdahoTiger
quote:Then she is a girl.
Say there's a trans boy who looks just like a guy, feels like a guy and just wants to be treated as such. He was born with female genitalia but is in all other aspects a boy
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:55 am to igoringa
My parents wouldn't let me decide what I wanted for dinner at that age, let alone decide what gender I was.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:56 am to igoringa
Because progressives do not require rational thought or logical outcomes. All they require is social agitation and disruption of the existing order. The end game has nothing to do what is best for kids, schools or parents. It's about what makes progressives feel self - reverential.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:56 am to Scruffy
Exactly.
The restrooms are divided by biological sex. Not gender.
Science.
The restrooms are divided by biological sex. Not gender.
Science.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:57 am to Dale51
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There is no such thing as a "trans-gendered" person. It is a form of mental illness.
Beyond the extremely rare incidence of a true "intersex" situation, this is absolutely correct.
And it is probably even inaccurate to call such persons "transgendered" - intersexed is probably correct here. Those folks deserve the greatest level of empathy we can muster.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:58 am to Grim
quote:I find the complete disregard of the individual's mental health in an attempt to normalize what is obviously a psychiatric condition to be idiotic.
Empathy is not welcome on this board.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 10:59 am to Dale51
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There is no such thing as a "trans-gendered" person. It is a form of mental illness
In a lot of cases, but not always. Sometimes it's just a kid raised by shitty parents acting like an idiot to get attention.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:01 am to papasmurf1269
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Their guidance should say something like if you have a dick you pee in the men's bathroom if you have a vagina you pee in the woman's bathroom. End of guidance
This is so simple. I have been saying it for years. Bathrooms are to for us to perform biological processes and bathrooms should reflect the biological differences. Who cares about gender-specific bathrooms. Just put a penis on one door and a penis with a line through it on the other door. Problem solved.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:02 am to IdahoTiger
For the record, in almost every school in America where this is an issue, the office bathroom or faculty bathroom is where the transgender kid goes to take a dump. This gets worked out logically, thousands of times a year ( including at my kids school) in the best interest of the child by parents and faculty. Much better than any state- directive could ever do. If you need to shite kid, come to the office. Crisis solved.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:06 am to IdahoTiger
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I think it's human nature to pretend that people so different than us don't exist. It's easier to brush it aside as a "mental disorder." Trust me I get it, but just realize brushing people aside has real life consequences and if a trans student was already suicidal, this administration didn't help. I still think the majority of people are good, it just sometimes takes meeting and talking to one of the "different" people to truly understand them. Some of you need to try harder.
On the other side of that, accepting and endorsing it without truly understanding why it occurs and calling anyone who thinks it a mental disorder a bigot is not helpful either.
It may very well be a mental illness. Or, sometimes shite just goes wrong in nature. We see it all the time, and many times we can't do anything to correct it.
What's especially difficult about gender identity crises/disorder is that we are dealing with the body-mind connection. This is something science has never fully understood and many think we never will.
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:07 am to IdahoTiger
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I was born gay, so I guess maybe I can relate to being born a little bit different.
Comparing being gay to how broadly "transgender" is defined now is like comparing apples to plutonium.
You're male. Your sexuality is just expressed differently. I don't know how much of sexuality is grounded in genetics, biology, hormones or brain chemicals - but I accept the basic assertion that you were either born gay (I'm not convinced we're "born" anything in that context) or became gay the same way folks "become" straight.
But transgender is different. We don't have to do anything to "be" gay or straight. What folks are calling "transgender" (not intersex or other chromosomal or genetic aberration) is completely internalized.
Let's take an example: If I decided that I was a gorilla - trapped in a human's body - and expressed that to my physician, I would not begin receiving steroid injections, pec and fur implants, facial surgery, etc., to conform with this delusion I have. I would be given a mirror, shown pictures of humans and gorillas, counseled about dealing with those delusions that does not cause irreversible damage to myself, etc.
So, what's the difference with "routine" transgender folks?
This post was edited on 2/24/17 at 11:08 am
Posted on 2/24/17 at 11:08 am to igoringa
I was just having a discussion this morning with one of my employees on this subject.
I am of the opinion that I think the idea and goal behind the law was a good idea, but I think it was too much, too fast and a little too much over reach on the part of the Obama admin. As a result of this, the issue became much bigger than the problem it was trying to resolve.
I think that there is some middle ground between the nothing that was and what Obama instituted.
I am of the opinion that I think the idea and goal behind the law was a good idea, but I think it was too much, too fast and a little too much over reach on the part of the Obama admin. As a result of this, the issue became much bigger than the problem it was trying to resolve.
I think that there is some middle ground between the nothing that was and what Obama instituted.
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