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re: There is no doubt town hall agitators are paid stooges

Posted on 2/23/17 at 6:44 am to
Posted by CelticDog
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 6:44 am to
Germandawg:
Sane person!!

Woof.

This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 6:45 am
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 6:45 am to
I personally want them to keep doing this at town halls.
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This is exactly what is alienating the left from regular people.

The only people that think of the behavior positively are the already convinced.

This isn't 20 years ago where the actual behavior could largely be hidden from regular people. Now, they ALL see it on their social media.
Posted by oklahogjr
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 6:51 am to
I would buy this if people thought Congress was working. Or if the election was a blow out. Facts are Tom cotton especially went to the most liberal part of the state and got to hesr from what was obviously going to be a hostile crowd.

Also doesn't help Tom that he's done nothing but a let's go to war republican.
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 6:55 am to
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Why don't these town halls just ask for drivers licenses to prove that those people are truly from those districts? Or is that racist?





Why would they only need to be from the district i question? These are NATIONAL politicians setting policy for the entire nation. I am certain when Scott Walker was undergoing recall you were opposed to anyone outside of the state being involved...and that was a state issue....this is a federal issue.

This is what democracy looks like. They could run and hide like so many of their counterparts and have telephone town halls...but those people are going to pay an even heavier price when their GOP supporters but not Trump supporters come to the realization that they do not have access to their elected officials any more than the protestors do.

This is what y'all wanted. You wanted a president who would say shite no matter the consequences...many of you have said time and again that the biggest draw of Trump was the effect he had on the left...well this is that effect...you asked for it, you begged for it and it is the culmination of your best fantasies....The GOP establishment and the Democratic establishment was fully satisfied with boring old status quo candidates....they do not stand a chance going forward...it is going to be most outrageous and most outspoken candidate who can make the most outlandish promises to the most people who will win elections going forward...and who is better equipped to be a populist...someone who is bent on socialist ideas where wealthy people see their wealth handed out to the masses are someone who supports the boss and his eating steak while the masses eat collard greens....Conservatism has failed....even the base of the conservative party looked to someone other than a conservative in this election....Barrack Obama DESTROYED the conservative movement in this nation...and the Trump base is not going to be satisfied with tax cuts for the wealthy when there aren't any more jobs and no more income for the middle class....they will realize 2 things...Trump said shite that he didn't have any way to carry out and that the next person they support will have a way to carry it out...and populism never bodes well for the wealthy....
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 6:56 am to
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This!

Anyone should be able to ask questions.
But no one should be allowed to continuously disrupt a townhall type meeting.



And I am sure you felt that way when the Tea Party was doing it to GOP candidates in 2008 and 2012....
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 6:59 am to
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There job requires that they represent ALL of their constituency....not just those who voted for them....

Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:00 am to
Typos happen.
Posted by TitleistProV1X
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:04 am to
I do not think these people are getting paid. We know it is organized but there are so many idiots out there that believe Trump is Hitler that they willingly participate.

I hope they keep doing this all way the way until the next election. They're accomplishing nothing, outside of looking like complete jackasses. If this is seriously the democrats best play and they believe this will win over moderate voters then the dems might even be dumber than I thought.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:06 am to
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If they resist, they should be arrested.
on what grounds?
Disorderly conduct.
Posted by Crimson Wraith
Member since Jan 2014
24919 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:09 am to
NY Post

This spells it all out and you'd just about have to bold the entire article. I'm sure the MSM will be all over this.

An Obama-tied activist group training tens of thousands of agitators to protest President Trump’s policies plans to hit Republican lawmakers supporting those policies even harder this week, when they return home for the congressional recess and hold town hall meetings and other functions.

Organizing for Action, a group founded by former President Barack Obama and featured prominently on his new post-presidency website, is distributing a training manual to anti-Trump activists that advises them to bully GOP lawmakers into backing off support for repealing ObamaCare, curbing immigration from high-risk Islamic nations and building a border wall.

In a new Facebook post, OFA calls on activists to mobilize against Republicans from now until Feb. 26, when “representatives are going to be in their home districts.”

The protesters disrupted town halls earlier this month, including one held in Utah by House Oversight Committee Chairman Jason Chaffetz, who was confronted by hundreds of angry demonstrators claiming to be his constituents.


The manual, published with OFA partner “Indivisible,” advises protesters to go into halls quietly so as not to raise alarms, and “grab seats at the front of the room but do not all sit together.” Rather, spread out in pairs to make it seem like the whole room opposes the Republican host’s positions. “This will help reinforce the impression of broad consensus.” It also urges them to ask “hostile” questions — while keeping “a firm hold on the mic” — and loudly boo the GOP politician if he isn’t “giving you real answers.”

“Express your concern [to the event’s hosts] they are giving a platform to pro-Trump authoritarianism, racism, and corruption,” it says.

The goal is to make Republicans, even from safe districts, second-guess their support for the Trump agenda.
“Even the safest [Republican] will be deeply alarmed by signs of organized opposition,” the document states, “because these actions create the impression that they’re not connected to their district and not listening to their constituents.”

After the event, protesters are advised to feed video footage to local and national media.

“Unfavorable exchanges caught on video can be devastating” for Republican lawmakers, it says, when “shared through social media and picked up by local and national media.” After protesters gave MSNBC, CNN and the networks footage of their dust-up with Chaffetz, for example, the outlets ran them continuously, forcing Chaffetz to issue statements defending himself.

The manual also advises protesters to flood “Trump-friendly” lawmakers’ Hill offices with angry phone calls and emails demanding the resignation of top White House adviser Steve Bannon.

A script advises callers to complain: “I’m honestly scared that a known racist and anti-Semite will be working just feet from the Oval Office … It is everyone’s business if a man who promoted white supremacy is serving as an adviser to the president.”

The document provides no evidence to support such accusations.

Protesters, who may or may not be affiliated with OFA, are also storming district offices. Last week, GOP Rep. Dana Rohrabacher blamed a “mob” of anti-Trump activists for knocking unconscious a 71-year-old female staffer at his Southern California office. A video of the incident, showing a small crowd around an opening door, was less conclusive.

Separately, OFA, which is run by ex-Obama officials and staffers, plans to stage 400 rallies across 42 states this year to attack Trump and Republicans over ObamaCare’s repeal.

“This is a fight we can win,” OFA recently told its foot soldiers. “They’re starting to waver.”

On Thursday, Trump insisted he’s moving ahead with plans to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, which has ballooned health insurance premiums and deductibles. “ObamaCare is a disaster, folks,” he said, adding that activists protesting its repeal are hijacking GOP town halls and other events.

“They fill up our rallies with people that you wonder how they get there,” the president said. “But they’re not the Republican people that our representatives are representing.”

As The Post reported, OFA boasts more than 250 offices nationwide and more than 32,000 organizers, with another 25,000 actively under training. Since November, it’s beefed up staff and fundraising, though as a “social welfare” nonprofit, it does not have to reveal its donors.

These aren’t typical Black Lives Matter or Occupy Wall Street marchers, but rather professionally trained organizers who go through a six-week training program similar to the training — steeped in Alinsky agitation tactics — Obama received in Chicago when he was a community organizer.

Chicago socialist Saul Alinsky, known by the left as “the father of community organizing,” taught radicals to “rub raw the sores of discontent” and create the conditions for a “revolution.” He dedicated his book, “Rules for Radicals,” to “Lucifer.” Michelle Obama quoted from the book when she helped launch OFA in 2013.

Obama appears to be behind the anti-Trump protests. He praised recent demonstrations against Trump’s travel ban. And last year, after Trump’s upset victory, he personally rallied OFA troops to “protect” his legacy in a conference call. “Now is the time for some organizing,” he said. “So don’t mope” over the election results.

He promised OFA activists he would soon join them in the fray.

“Understand that I’m going to be constrained in what I do with all of you until I am again a private citizen, but that’s not so far off,” he said. “You’re going to see me early next year, and we’re going to be in a position where we can start cooking up all kinds of great stuff.”

Added the ex-president: “I promise you that next year Michelle and I are going to be right there with you, and the clouds are going to start parting, and we’re going to be busy. I’ve got all kinds of thoughts and ideas about it, but this isn’t the best time to share them.

“Point is, I’m still fired up and ready to go, and I hope that all of you are, as well.”
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124186 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:12 am to
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And I am sure you felt that way when the Tea Party was doing it to GOP candidates in 2008 and 2012....
Link?
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54231 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:44 am to
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And I am sure you felt that way when the Tea Party was doing it to GOP candidates in 2008 and 2012....


The difference being The Tea Party was doing it in house. It's akin to "if my children need to be disciplined, it will be my me and not by you".

I would think that Democrats need to be disciplining their own house. The evidence is definitely there.
Posted by Bamatab
Member since Jan 2013
15112 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:13 am to
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Why would they only need to be from the district i question?

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This is what democracy looks like.

Are you serious, Clark? Why can't libs wrap their warped minds around the fact that we don't live in a pure democracy? The US has never been a pure democracy, and was never setup as one. The US is a representative republic. Our representatives are in congress to represent the districts that elected them. Good grief man, take a civics lesson or two.
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
50376 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:14 am to
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Our representatives are in congress to represent the districts that elected them. Good grief man, take a civics lesson or two.


Senators represent the entire state, sweetheart. They aren't in office to represent one district and not another. They represent the entire state.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:15 am to
they don't have to be "paid"

there are a few local groups here organizing to do this sort of shite and it's all volunteer

these people are very likely coordinated, but i don't think many are "paid"
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:17 am to
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Why would they only need to be from the district i question? These are NATIONAL politicians

who represent a specific district

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I am certain when Scott Walker was undergoing recall you were opposed to anyone outside of the state being involved

define "being involved"

Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
50376 posts
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:18 am to
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I would think that Democrats need to be disciplining their own house. The evidence is definitely there.



I think all politicians need to be disciplined. Cassidy straight up admitted to not watching the DeVos confirmation hearing after accepting more than $70k in donations from her, then blindly confirming her nomination. I would like him to justify that.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:19 am to
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but i don't think many are "paid"


Their cause is paid for by Obama/Soros. Some of their more professional agitators are likely paid but I doubt that's significant number nationwide.
Posted by Bullethead88
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Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:19 am to
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The web of deceit spun by CTR as revealed by Wikileaks suggests that the campaign by OFA and other groups like it has certainly influenced the town hall agitators as a way to delegitimize President Donald J TRUMP.


Gee. I wonder when Wikileaks is ging to leak something negative about Trump?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:19 am to
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Cassidy straight up admitted to not watching the DeVos confirmation hearing after accepting more than $70k in donations from her, then blindly confirming her nomination. I would like him to justify that.

why? typically Cabinet confirmations are a mere formality
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