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Florida doctors can ask patients about guns, court rules

Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:13 am
Posted by FrenchToast
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Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:13 am
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A federal appeals court ruled on Thursday that Florida doctors can talk to patients about gun safety, declaring a law aimed at restricting such discussions a violation of the First Amendment's right to free speech.

The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals found that the law does not trespass on patients' Second Amendment rights to own guns and noted a patient who doesn't want to be questioned about that can easily find another doctor.

"The Second Amendment right to own and possess firearms does not preclude questions about, commentary on, or criticism for the exercise of that right," wrote Circuit Judge Adalberto Jordan in one of two majority opinions covering 90 pages. "There is no actual conflict between the First Amendment rights of doctors and medical professionals and the Second Amendment rights of patients."

Circuit Judge William Pryor, who was a finalist in President Donald Trump's search for a Supreme Court nominee, said in a separate concurring opinion that the First Amendment must protect all points of view.

"The promise of free speech is that even when one holds an unpopular point of view, the state cannot stifle it," he wrote. "The price Americans pay for this freedom is that the rule remains unchanged regardless of who is in the majority."

The law was passed in 2011 and signed by Republican Gov. Rick Scott with strong support from the National Rifle Association. It was the only one of its kind in the nation, although similar laws have been considered in other states.

Supporters in the Republican-controlled Florida Legislature insisted it was necessary because doctors were overstepping their bounds and pushing an anti-gun, anti-Second Amendment agenda.


Is your doctor's office the appropriate place to ask you if you have a gun? - read more on Fox News
Posted by PsychTiger
Member since Jul 2004
99349 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:18 am to
I see Conservative Judges are able to make rulings based on the Constitution and laws, no matter what their personal feelings on the subject may be. How refreshing.
Posted by dinner roll
buttery goodness
Member since Feb 2006
6367 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:20 am to
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The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals found that the law does not trespass on patients' Second Amendment rights to own guns and noted a patient who doesn't want to be questioned about that can easily find another doctor.


If you like your doctor...

What happens if the patient refuses to answer?
Posted by ShortyRob
Member since Oct 2008
82116 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:21 am to
My knee jerk reaction is that this is the proper ruling
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54231 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:24 am to
As long as my doctor can't force me to listen to his questions. I'm good. If he insists, I find another doctor who doesn't. I talk to my doctors all the time about sports and that doesn't seem to upset the apple cart. Now if all they want to talk about is the Hogs, then we have a problem.
Posted by Loserman
Member since Sep 2007
21966 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:27 am to
quote:

"The Second Amendment right to own and possess firearms does not preclude questions about, commentary on, or criticism for the exercise of that right," wrote Circuit Judge Adalberto Jordan in one of two majority opinions covering 90 pages. "There is no actual conflict between the First Amendment rights of doctors and medical professionals and the Second Amendment rights of patients."



This leads me to an idea for those who oppose other viewpoints or activities based on their own first amendment rights.

When people don't want to participate in an activity that violates their religious beliefs they should go ahead a participate but just do a shitty job.

For the bakers who are now being forced to bake cakes for LBGTQRSTUV ceremonies just make them a crapy cake. Same with florists or whatever.

When they complain then just tell them they used artistic license to make something they though best represented the occasion

Problem will solve itself
This post was edited on 2/19/17 at 9:30 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
57383 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:28 am to

Correct decision in my view. Freedom is never advanced by silencing people.

I get the fear of using docs as data gatherers, but seriously, just say "nope, no guns!" Problem solved.
Posted by Speedy G
Member since Aug 2013
3905 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:30 am to
We needed a US Court of Appeaks to tell us this? Oh, right, Florida tried to make it illegal. Lol
Posted by EyeTwentyNole
Member since Mar 2015
4199 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:31 am to
So if a doctor asks a patient about their gun, can the patient ask the Dr about their extramarital affair? Free speech and all
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
68216 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:33 am to
Well, to answer your question Doc,

all my guns were lost in a tragic boating accident.
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35471 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:42 am to
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The law was passed in 2011 and signed by Republican Gov. Rick Scott with strong support from the National Rifle Association. It was the only one of its kind in the nation, although similar laws have been considered in other states.

Supporters in the Republican-controlled Florida Legislature insisted it was necessary because doctors were overstepping their bounds and pushing an anti-gun, anti-Second Amendment agenda.
This is the crap you get when you elect too many Republicans. They seem to care very little for the 1st Amendment and personal liberty.

Sure, the D's have their over reaches too.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
38819 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:44 am to
It's pretty simple tell your doctor to go frick himself and then apologize BC he just doing what is required
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
13177 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:54 am to
Doctor: Do you have guns?
Patient: All our guns were lost in a freak boating accident out in the deep ocean.....
Posted by mofungoo
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2012
4583 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 9:56 am to
If that cute girl doctor asks about my gun, I'm going to show it to her.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46555 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 10:08 am to
I don't have a problem with this, all it's saying is a doctor CAN ask about them. They dont have to ask nor does the patient have to answer.

It's pretty important to mention to new parents especially. You'd be surprised how many airheads never even think about securing their guns from small children.
This post was edited on 2/19/17 at 10:12 am
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
39236 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 11:06 am to
Why do people feel the need to answer inappropriate questions asked by strangers?

If a Dr. asks you about guns, would it be OK to ask him about anal with his wife? Neither has any place in a medical services facility.
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
Member since Dec 2005
59321 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 11:11 am to
Is there some epidemic of doctors wielding around gun advice all willy nilly unsolicited?
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99153 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 11:13 am to
If my doctor ever asks me that question, I'll just pull up my pant leg and he can see my ankle holster.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
45199 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 11:21 am to
Wouldn't matter to me. They can ask all they want doesn't mean I have to answer.
Posted by Gaspergou202
Metairie, LA
Member since Jun 2016
13501 posts
Posted on 2/19/17 at 11:30 am to
Usually the doctor questions about gun ownership are out of bounds. They really do not need to know in order to provide medical care. Do they ask if you own a car? If they are curious they should first start with a disclaimer! But they ask this question like it's as important as your daily coffee intake. However the answer becomes part of your personal medical records that are accessible by government hacks with potential misuse! Give them strong push back!

Pediatricians should warn about household dangers like firearms, electricity, cleaners, poisons, swimming pools, toilets, inadequate car seats, etc..

Psychiatrists should ask if they consider you a potential suicide.
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