re: 'Bama players complain about officiating

It does not matter what db was picked can't block downfield when he did bama guy pulled him down cause he was blocking him the pick was worse on the other td if that had been LSU this board would melt at those calls that didn't cost bama the game not running the football in the second half cost them the game too many 3 and outs

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It wasn't with the crown of the helmet but with the side of his helmet as noted by the announcers and the replay official.

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It doesn't need to be with the crown exclusively.


RULES

Targeting and Initiating Contact With the Crown of the Helmet (Rule 9-1-3)
No player shall target and initiate contact against an opponent with the crown (top) of his helmet. When in question, it is a foul.
Targeting and Initiating Contact to Head or Neck Area of a Defenseless Player (Rule 9-1-4)
No player shall target and initiate contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent with the helmet, forearm, fist, elbow or shoulder. When in question, it is a foul. (Rule 2-27-14)

The one that got me, and I've never seen before, was the unsportsmanlike penalty on a Clemson player explained, if remembering that ref's wording, as "hitting a player not in the play". It seemed to be a legal hit, but because it was unnecessary it became illegal.

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Is the pick play not legal inside of 1 yard? I thought it was legal by rule to be able to block a defender inside of 1 yard. He was clearly blocking at 1 yard out... IMO it is legal

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there is no "zone" in CFB, 1 yd, 5yd (NFL), or any other yards. CFB goes by "obvious attempt to impede", that goes for defender or WR. In the last TD, the WR that did the rub A) made it less obvious by pretending to lose balance and B) since he did not make contact with Tony Brown, he didn't impede Tony Brown. So 'legal' on both counts.

It's really up to the refs if it looks obvious or actually impedes the player. To me it's a lot like the linemen downfield on the RPO plays. Refs chose not to enforce the 3 yds downfield as long as in contact with a defender from LoS. So until there's clarification or instructions it is what it is.

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Can a defender jam a WR at the line of scrimmage?

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of course, yes. And no, I can't reconcile it with the wording; to me a 'jam' would be the MOST obvious attempt to impede. That's why I referenced the OL downfield situation on the RPOs. Of course ball in air (and pass behind/beyond LoS) changes everything on a jam.

Technically, you can contact anyplace on the field as long as ball not in air and your not 'obviously impeding'. That's why the bumps and hand fighting is let go very often I'm guessing. It's 'legal' until ball in air (depending on the ref).

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The facts are: Rueben Foster clubbed Watson in the head with a forearm, that is targeting. Brown hit Williams in the head with his helmet, that is targeting.

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No question about either. One drew a flag, but neither got the targeting call. Total NCAA BS. But just ask a gump and he will tell you the refs were out to get them...

They are hypocrites. They Lough when LSU bitched about reffing, yet they are bitching now and bitched after the kick 6.

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So neither of you are making the assertion the game was in someway fixed to make it more entertaining?

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Everyone interprets things differently.

I don't know how else to explain my POV on this to you, honestly. I know it can seem strange when I tell someone this IRL, so I can imagine how it comes across on a message board.

Do I think sometimes strange things happen in a game to benefit a team? Yes. Does it happen more frequently for some teams? Absolutely. Has it happened sometimes for LSU? Absolutely.

Do I get worked up over it and call it a conspiracy? No, because I think it is just part of it. That's just how I process it.

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I mean when you say something is for entertainment only and it wasn't a real contest because money is involved what are you trying to say?

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Anything that involves a lot of money, whether it be sports, politics, or whatever, is going to be influenced. It is human nature. Right or wrong. Again, JMO.

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So why don't you just tell me outright do you believe the game last night was fixed/rigged/scpripted/consciously manipulated in any way?

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Again, I didn't watch but one play, and that one play live was quite egregious. I get frustrated when player safety, especially at the amateur level (they aren't getting paid enough...and I support paying players, that's just another topic) is compromised. I saw Bama get away with a blatant targeting foul, so I changed the channel. I read this morning they got away with more than one, but were also called for other infractions they aren't normally called for. So I watched those individual replays. I didn't watch the whole game.

Do I believe there have been games I have watched in the past that were strongly manipulated? Absolutely. LSU vs Auburn in 2006 immediately comes to mind, as well as Oklahoma vs Oregon that same year. I'm sure I could list many others that include LSU and not include LSU, but again.....

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I left it out because it's factually incorrect

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Yes, you can call out that general statement as inaccurate. I'm fine with that. LOL. One year of penalty stats can easily dispute my general statement. Again, I'm not the only poster on this site making the same observations about last night's game or other games in general. Personally, I don't care. Again, if I'm entertained, I watch. If not, I pick another game to watch. Last night, there were no other games, so I chose sleep. I regret not watching it. 35-31 is an exciting, ENTERTAINING outcome. I missed it.

Maybe next year.

Good God! At least TRY some punctuation! Even if you get it wrong, it might help when trying to read your post.