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32 degrees at North Pole; Louisiana gulf waters rising?
Posted on 12/23/16 at 11:16 pm
Posted on 12/23/16 at 11:16 pm
This is why I am a skeptic on global warming. If more than 1/3 of ice has already melted, and Miami is not underwater, then the earth is just going through another cycle.
Oh, it's supposed to be -20 at the North Pole.
Oh, it's supposed to be -20 at the North Pole.
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Posted on 12/23/16 at 11:18 pm to matthew25
quote:
Oh, it's supposed to be -20 at the North Pole.
quote:Well which one is it?
32 degrees at North Pole
Posted on 12/23/16 at 11:19 pm to matthew25
If you look at global temperature history you'll note the planet tends to warm up after an ice age.
We had a very recent one. People seem to forget about it.
We had a very recent one. People seem to forget about it.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 11:27 pm to matthew25
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If more than 1/3 of ice has already melted, and Miami is not underwater,
it hasn't.
most of the ice is on greenland and the antarctic landmass
its thousands of feet thick on Greenland and the antarctic landmass.
Posted on 12/23/16 at 11:30 pm to matthew25
Posted on 12/23/16 at 11:31 pm to matthew25
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This post was edited on 1/10/21 at 8:42 pm
Posted on 12/23/16 at 11:49 pm to matthew25
look,this isn't a political statement,but we are definitely seeing milder winters. I don't know why.
I am 54 years old,and the change has been noticeable to me.
It may be a natural thing,I don't really know.
I do know that man CAN negatively impact the environment through negligence.I have seen it first hand on a local scale.
I miss seeing the millions of ducks and geese at The Wheeler Wildlife Refuge like we use to see. The sky would be covered with them,now,not very much.They will never be back.
Pretty sure this was caused by DDT dumping in the river.
The pity is,there is no unpolitical research.All the studies are done with an agenda,by both sides,so for an average person to learn the real truth..that's impossible.
There is nothing wrong though,with us all trying to lower our impact where practical...just in case.
I am 54 years old,and the change has been noticeable to me.
It may be a natural thing,I don't really know.
I do know that man CAN negatively impact the environment through negligence.I have seen it first hand on a local scale.
I miss seeing the millions of ducks and geese at The Wheeler Wildlife Refuge like we use to see. The sky would be covered with them,now,not very much.They will never be back.
Pretty sure this was caused by DDT dumping in the river.
The pity is,there is no unpolitical research.All the studies are done with an agenda,by both sides,so for an average person to learn the real truth..that's impossible.
There is nothing wrong though,with us all trying to lower our impact where practical...just in case.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 12:13 am to matthew25
quote:
his is why I am a skeptic on global warming. If more than 1/3 of ice has already melted, and Miami is not underwater, then the earth is just going through another cycle.
omfg please read a science book
ice floating in water has already displaced its volume, when it melts it doenst cause a rise, ice trapped on land melting does.
and btw the Earth hasnt even responded to the levels of Co2 we have now, we wont see that for about another 10-20 years. The temperature rise always lags behind the Co2 rise.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 12:24 am to matthew25
quote:
This is why I am a skeptic on global warming. If more than 1/3 of ice has already melted, and Miami is not underwater, then the earth is just going through another cycle. Oh, it's supposed to be -20 at the North Pole.
Umm, Miami Beach floods at high tide now. It's gotten increasingly bad over the past 10 years. Living under a rock?
Posted on 12/24/16 at 12:41 am to matthew25
It's currently 8 degrees at the North Pole
-20 in Yellowknife Canada
-20 in Yellowknife Canada
Posted on 12/24/16 at 5:28 am to matthew25
Relative sea level change.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 5:34 am to matthew25
quote:The North Pole would have little or nothing to do with that. Greenland would. Changes in sealevel relate to glacial melt, not the melt of existing sea ice.
Louisiana gulf waters rising?
As an aside, current arctic temps are a weather pattern, not a climate pattern. The frigid polar zone shifted into Siberia. The cold there has been brutal. -60°F today. That shift translated into record lows in the US as well. The weather pattern will shift back shortly, and the discussion will then center around "sudden warming" in the US.
This post was edited on 12/24/16 at 6:03 am
Posted on 12/24/16 at 5:40 am to matthew25
Arctic Ocean is water. You can't overflow a glass by melting ice.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 6:54 am to matthew25
Posted on 12/24/16 at 7:18 am to matthew25
It's ridiculous how politicized the fricking weather has become. One side thinks we're destroying the environment with every breath, and the other thinks nothing we do has any effect. As usual, reality is somewhere in the middle. We can stop treating our planet like shite without being told we're assholes for filling up at the pump.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 9:54 am to matthew25
Posted on 12/24/16 at 10:27 am to matthew25
The last time CO2 levels were this high, and solar output was accounted for, the oceans were 100 ft higher.
There's a good chance AWG is legit (anyone that dismisses it outright is a partisan hack - it can't be disproven just like it can't be proven).
The risk is if it's right, Florida Louisiana, New York, and many more coastal cities will be under water.
Even without warming, it appears that the oceans absorbing a significant amount of CO2 will make it hostile to living things.
So eaither way, we're having an impact. I mean, you can't expect to release amounts of CO2 all at once that the planet took millions of years to store away, without some consequence. That's just common sense.
There's a good chance AWG is legit (anyone that dismisses it outright is a partisan hack - it can't be disproven just like it can't be proven).
The risk is if it's right, Florida Louisiana, New York, and many more coastal cities will be under water.
Even without warming, it appears that the oceans absorbing a significant amount of CO2 will make it hostile to living things.
So eaither way, we're having an impact. I mean, you can't expect to release amounts of CO2 all at once that the planet took millions of years to store away, without some consequence. That's just common sense.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 11:05 am to matthew25
I don't know what I expected, but the ignorance on this board is astonishing. The reason that scientist know that our recent warming is not a part of a natural cycle is its speed. Natural variations in our planets climate occur slowly over tens of thousands of years at the most extreme. The climatic changes we are observing are thousands of times faster than normal and the consequences include the disruption of ecosystems that cannot physically adapt to such rapid changes to the climate. The only natural sources that can cause such quick and dramatic changes to the climate are the sun, volcanic activity, or an asteroid impact-- and all of these have been ruled out.
Posted on 12/24/16 at 1:53 pm to matthew25
The ice is not melting due to land temperatures.
It is melting, and only a certain type of ice is melting, from an underwater split that happened under the ice during the 40s. Now a warm water current flows under it and the water current is what is melting it.
There is more land ice than before. It's the lower levels that are melting.
It is melting, and only a certain type of ice is melting, from an underwater split that happened under the ice during the 40s. Now a warm water current flows under it and the water current is what is melting it.
There is more land ice than before. It's the lower levels that are melting.
This post was edited on 12/24/16 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 12/24/16 at 2:58 pm to matthew25
It is currently 0 at the North Pole....ZERO
When ice melts in your drink...does the drink overflow??
When ice melts in your drink...does the drink overflow??
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