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The Coach Orgeron Vision/Plan
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:35 pm
Coach Orgeron knows his leverage and his strengths.
His leverage/strengths are his Louisiana/Cajun heritage, his coaching experiences (DT, HC, etc...), his relationship skills, his recruiting prowess, his strong motivational skillset, and the fact that his players love him. He also has the binder, which many make fun of, but which shows he has been preparing for this opportunity for a couple of decades, inclusive of his coaching under and with National Championship and Super Bowl champion coaches.
As such, Coach O knows that his way to succeed in his dream job is to take a decidedly CEO-style approach, and to obtain and empower great coordinators and position coaches, while he recruits, organizes, addresses the media as the LSU football figure head, and through practice and game day motivation and management.
He knows he is not Saban or Urban Meyer at this stage of his coaching career. He knows who he is, and is smart and humble enough to stay in his wheelhouse. As time moves on, he could evolve to that level of a coach and persona, but in the mean time, he has a plan that has a great chance to work. And that is his focus.
Anyone who is not pleased with the staff he has assembled is trammeled to a poor attitude, or does not appreciate how hard it is to get such a staff onboard.
He took a salary which facilitated salary margin to get such a great staff. He knows that if he brings the Tigers back to championship status, that he'll get a market salary commensurate with such an achievement.
He knows that most big time programs are a rotating door at the OC and DC positions, so he will be assembling a constant list of candidates for when Aranda and Canada get their mid-major HC opportunity. That is nearly a certainty in the next 2-5 years, so that Binder needs to be constantly populated with candidates to plug in as time moves forward. That would makes LSU like tOSU, Bama and the other short list of program which have this challenge.
Many may have not had the patience to watch this all unfold, but now that it has, you owe the man his due, as this staff has to have any genuine Tiger fan feeling optimistic and pumped.
It is a very logical approach, yet no one can assess it until it gets tested.
That time is the 2017+ season(s).
I, for one, and thrilled.
As Coach O would say, Geaux Tigers
His leverage/strengths are his Louisiana/Cajun heritage, his coaching experiences (DT, HC, etc...), his relationship skills, his recruiting prowess, his strong motivational skillset, and the fact that his players love him. He also has the binder, which many make fun of, but which shows he has been preparing for this opportunity for a couple of decades, inclusive of his coaching under and with National Championship and Super Bowl champion coaches.
As such, Coach O knows that his way to succeed in his dream job is to take a decidedly CEO-style approach, and to obtain and empower great coordinators and position coaches, while he recruits, organizes, addresses the media as the LSU football figure head, and through practice and game day motivation and management.
He knows he is not Saban or Urban Meyer at this stage of his coaching career. He knows who he is, and is smart and humble enough to stay in his wheelhouse. As time moves on, he could evolve to that level of a coach and persona, but in the mean time, he has a plan that has a great chance to work. And that is his focus.
Anyone who is not pleased with the staff he has assembled is trammeled to a poor attitude, or does not appreciate how hard it is to get such a staff onboard.
He took a salary which facilitated salary margin to get such a great staff. He knows that if he brings the Tigers back to championship status, that he'll get a market salary commensurate with such an achievement.
He knows that most big time programs are a rotating door at the OC and DC positions, so he will be assembling a constant list of candidates for when Aranda and Canada get their mid-major HC opportunity. That is nearly a certainty in the next 2-5 years, so that Binder needs to be constantly populated with candidates to plug in as time moves forward. That would makes LSU like tOSU, Bama and the other short list of program which have this challenge.
Many may have not had the patience to watch this all unfold, but now that it has, you owe the man his due, as this staff has to have any genuine Tiger fan feeling optimistic and pumped.
It is a very logical approach, yet no one can assess it until it gets tested.
That time is the 2017+ season(s).
I, for one, and thrilled.
As Coach O would say, Geaux Tigers
This post was edited on 12/15/16 at 3:46 pm
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Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:37 pm to THECEO
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He knows he is not Saban or Urban Meyer.
not really an attribute...
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He took a salary which facilitated salary margin to get such a great staff.
as if he had a choice 
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:37 pm to THECEO
Good job Derek!
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:39 pm to THECEO
did not read
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:41 pm to THECEO
quote:
As everyone in louisiana would say, Geaux Tigers
FIFY
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:56 pm to THECEO
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He knows he is not Saban or Urban Meyer at this stage of his coaching career. He knows who he is, and is smart and humble enough to stay in his wheelhouse. As time moves on, he could evolve to that level of a coach and persona,
Magically?
Posted on 12/15/16 at 3:59 pm to THECEO
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THECEO
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Hmmmm.....
Posted on 12/15/16 at 4:16 pm to THECEO
Don't act like he did LSU a favor by taking a low salary, come on.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 4:19 pm to THECEO
I agree with this 100 percent. The man at the top must be flexible enough to make changes that are absolutely necessary to keep the program at or near the top. The last guy here failed to do that. Coach O will.
This is the future right now.
This is the future right now.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 4:20 pm to THECEO
quote:No it really doesn't. You can have the nicest ship in the world with the best crew but it's not gonna be worth a damn without a good captain.
as this staff has to have any genuine Tiger fan feeling optimistic and pumped
Posted on 12/15/16 at 4:33 pm to THECEO
Good observations. I would say that this board is evolving because if you had posted that 3 weeks ago you would have been drawn and quartered.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 4:37 pm to THECEO
Orgeron should be alright if the hardheaded dumbass could win 9-10 a year
Posted on 12/15/16 at 5:38 pm to THECEO
It's a lot like Trump being elected. He wasn't my first choice but he's putting a killer cabinet in place to make up for his deficiencies. Good luck to them both.
Posted on 12/15/16 at 7:10 pm to THECEO
Thanks Derek
Posted on 12/15/16 at 8:27 pm to THECEO
The original post is practically a clinic on the most annoying facets of the most annoying O devotees on this site.
First, a Cajun/Louisiana heritage does not constitute a coaching strength in any rational world.
Second, if it required decades of planning to generate two flimsy binders that any MBA student with access to a Kinko's could surpass in a single cappuccino fueled all-nighter, I'm terrified of the future.
Third, please stop insinuating that O could "evolve" into Saban when he has a losing record as a HC and has never even coached a bowl.
Fourth, don't compare LSU's need to obtain great coordinators with Bama and Ohio State. Those teams both have tactical geniuses as HCS (one defensive, the other offensive). LSU has a much greater need for elite coordinators because our HC has no prowess on either side of the ball.
Finally, please don't pretend that O strategically decided to accept a lower salary in order to benefit LSU and implement his master stroke. He was paid a lower salary because no one else wanted to hire him and, hence, he had no leverage. In short, his market value was much lower.
The only thing you say which withstands scrutiny is that the O approach cannot be assessed until actual games are played over the course of a full season or two. The coordinator hires look promising, but that means nothing unless it translates into victory.
Your entire post was premature celebration. Let's see how things play out before we indulge in sanctimonious lectures directed at other LSU fans. Next up is the bowl, then signing day. We need a consensus top 5/10 class.
First, a Cajun/Louisiana heritage does not constitute a coaching strength in any rational world.
Second, if it required decades of planning to generate two flimsy binders that any MBA student with access to a Kinko's could surpass in a single cappuccino fueled all-nighter, I'm terrified of the future.
Third, please stop insinuating that O could "evolve" into Saban when he has a losing record as a HC and has never even coached a bowl.
Fourth, don't compare LSU's need to obtain great coordinators with Bama and Ohio State. Those teams both have tactical geniuses as HCS (one defensive, the other offensive). LSU has a much greater need for elite coordinators because our HC has no prowess on either side of the ball.
Finally, please don't pretend that O strategically decided to accept a lower salary in order to benefit LSU and implement his master stroke. He was paid a lower salary because no one else wanted to hire him and, hence, he had no leverage. In short, his market value was much lower.
The only thing you say which withstands scrutiny is that the O approach cannot be assessed until actual games are played over the course of a full season or two. The coordinator hires look promising, but that means nothing unless it translates into victory.
Your entire post was premature celebration. Let's see how things play out before we indulge in sanctimonious lectures directed at other LSU fans. Next up is the bowl, then signing day. We need a consensus top 5/10 class.
This post was edited on 12/15/16 at 8:31 pm
Posted on 12/16/16 at 6:39 am to THECEO
The greatest joy for me would be seeing the yearly melt from ole miss fans having to admit coach o was not as bad as they made him out to be .
.Posted on 12/16/16 at 7:30 am to THECEO
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Coach Orgeron knows his leverage and his strengths.
His leverage/strengths are his Louisiana/Cajun heritage,
Where else besides this section of Louisiana is this considered a "strength". We are not fielding a team of players from Cutoff and Boothville-Venice.
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Coach O knows that his way to succeed in his dream job is to take a decidedly CEO-style approach, and to obtain and empower great coordinators and position coaches, while he recruits, organizes, addresses the media as the LSU football figure head
arse-backwards way of doing things. Usually, you impart your coaching brand on a team and as you get up in age, you "become" a figurehead as an earned right.
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As time moves on, he could evolve to that level of a coach and persona
Really? How? By giving inspirational speeches while the more talented coaches X and O LSU to championships?
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Anyone who is not pleased with the staff he has assembled is trammeled to a poor attitude, or does not appreciate how hard it is to get such a staff onboard.
How hard is it to hire a staff that was already assembled? What particular amount of genius did it take to pay Aranda (a Les hire) his $? How difficult was it to make a list of 4 "hot shot" OCs and overpay one of them? You don't mention that CEO damn near cost LSU 2 QBs with that ridiculous offer to the hawaiian QB, or that allowing himself to be used by his "friend" Kiffin actually did cost us a QB.
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He took a salary which facilitated salary margin to get such a great staff.
NO NO NO! He was mercifully given $3.5 mil...the market dictated he be given less. What other school was prepared to a) hire him as HC and b) give him anything approaching $3.5 mil? Take the blinders off and look at reality. Kiffin is the hotshot OC of what will be a back-to-back Bama squad and is universally praised as the reason for its current success...and he is coaching at FAU...for $1 mil...and he is vastly more important to a school than O.
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He knows that most big time programs are a rotating door at the OC and DC positions, so he will be assembling a constant list of candidates for when Aranda and Canada get their mid-major HC opportunity
THIS is one of the biggest reasons NOT to hire a "figurehead". Yes OCs and DCs leave, but a team should carry the same philosophy as the HC on whatever side of the ball the HC excels in. If you don't excel on any side of the ball then you're just constantly hiring coaches hoping they do as well as the last coach. That's a ridiculous way to run a program. And what do you tell your recruits about this revolving 2 year door with your OC and DC when they ask who their coach is going to be? Don't worry, I have a binder?
I understand getting behind a coach b/c he's not going anywhere, but just b/c you pour syrup on sh!t don't make it pancakes. This coaching hire was supposed to be about ONE THING...BEATING BAMA! Either you believe hiring CEO gets you to that point or you don't. But if you're telling me that we hired him to rah rah and give motivational speeches, I'm not too pleased. And I would really hope at some point his "recruiting" prowess would stop being kicked up to mythical proportions. We were a top 5 recruiting powerhouse for years before him and I'm not sure of one recruit he delivered that we would NOT have otherwise gotten. Can he just be a damn good recruiter and not this legend we believe him to be? Deliver the kid LSU has no business getting and then we can start cannonizing him for his recruiting prowess.
Posted on 12/16/16 at 7:36 am to THECEO
TheCEO, great job!
Posted on 12/16/16 at 7:40 am to THECEO
So we all know you're Derek now
Posted on 12/16/16 at 8:17 am to THECEO
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Coach Orgeron knows his leverage and his strengths.
His leverage/strengths are his Louisiana/Cajun heritage, his coaching experiences (DT, HC, etc...), his relationship skills, his recruiting prowess, his strong motivational skillset, and the fact that his players love him. He also has the binder, which many make fun of, but which shows he has been preparing for this opportunity for a couple of decades, inclusive of his coaching under and with National Championship and Super Bowl champion coaches.
As such, Coach O knows that his way to succeed in his dream job is to take a decidedly CEO-style approach, and to obtain and empower great coordinators and position coaches, while he recruits, organizes, addresses the media as the LSU football figure head, and through practice and game day motivation and management.
So essentially Orgeron is getting 3.5 Mil a year to be LSU's HC (Head Cheerleader) and Coonass Icon. I guess it could work, but I still think he's over paid for what he does. IMO his contract should have been heavy on the incentive side and next to nothing on the guarantee end.
This is what an unproven or failed HC contract should look like:
Term: 4 year contract( anything less would hurt recruiting)
Salary: 1 Mil per year (Unproven HC shouldn't get big time guaranteed money)
Incentives: 250K for power 5 non conference and SEC regular season win (2.5 Mil total)
1 Mil for SEC west champion
1.5 Mil for SEC Champion
100-750K for winning non play off bowl game depending on the bowl.
1.5 Mil for playoff win
2.5 Mil for National Champion
Win SEC west guarantee 30% increase in base salary with contract extension.
Win SEC 50% increase in base salary with contract extension.
Win natty and double base salary with a contract extension.
That could be a 9 million dollar bonus with a salary increase and a contract extension!
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