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Why did Kirk always go with the landing party on Star Trek?
Posted on 11/13/16 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 11/13/16 at 8:24 pm
Wasn't he putting himself at risk unnecessarily considering his first responsibility was being a captain to the ship and keeping everyone aboard safe and functioning?
Posted on 11/13/16 at 8:29 pm to PatDyesPants
True leaders never ask their crew to do something they wouldn't do themselves
Posted on 11/13/16 at 8:31 pm to PatDyesPants
Leading by example.
Leading from the front.
Etc etc
Leading from the front.
Etc etc
Posted on 11/13/16 at 8:33 pm to The Quiet One
quote:
Kirk was alpha
Even though I hate people calling other posters "betas", I love this answer.
Kirk was probably THE TV Alpha of his generation.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 8:35 pm to PatDyesPants
Because he was his own Number One.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 8:35 pm to PatDyesPants
Look around the room? Is there a red shirt? Yeah? Cool.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 8:42 pm to PatDyesPants
quote:On Wagon Train, the show that inspired ST, the "captain" was wagonmaster Major Seth Adams. He generally stayed with the wagons while hunky scout Flint McCullough went out and fricked with Indians and shite.
Wasn't he putting himself at risk unnecessarily considering his first responsibility was being a captain to the ship and keeping everyone aboard safe and functioning?
ST had two problems in this area.
1) There was no Flint McCullough equivalent. The second-in-command was Spock, who by nature could not act in conventional action hero manner.
2) From the beginning Shatner demanded to be in as many scenes as possible, thus negating the Wagon Train template of guest stars dominating many episodes while the regulars appear only in wraparounds. There are some episodes that still follow this format, notably "Charlie X", though even in that Shatner still has a fairly large role, and of course there's the later pilot with Robert Lansing and Teri Garr.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 9:05 pm to SG_Geaux
Alexander the Great led charges.
It wasn't really until Napoleon and Civil War generals where they sat behind.
You used to have to show you were willing to put your own life on the line to inspire.
It wasn't really until Napoleon and Civil War generals where they sat behind.
You used to have to show you were willing to put your own life on the line to inspire.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 9:15 pm to PatDyesPants
Because the alien poon ain't beaming itself up to the enterprise.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 9:15 pm to PatDyesPants
He was the star. How boring would it be if he were out of the action every episode?
Posted on 11/13/16 at 9:21 pm to Turbeauxdog
He wanted first pick when it came to the alien women.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 9:25 pm to PatDyesPants
Lead from the front, baw.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 9:26 pm to PatDyesPants
Yes. And it's why Picard was a much better captain.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 9:30 pm to Kafka
quote:
On Wagon Train, the show that inspired ST
To be fair, from a "structure" standpoint, this is largely true and Gene did claim this.
But just as big an influence (perhaps bigger) from a plot/content standpoint is Forbidden Planet, which was denied for years but Gene ultimately admitted way later, and Shatner's Kirk had a shite ton in common with Leslie Nielsen's Commander John J. Adams - a dude that led from the absolute front.
So, there's that.
quote:
From the beginning Shatner demanded to be in as many scenes as possible
For all the crap Shatner catches for overacting (at times, this was needed at times, it was just The Shat being The Shat) he cannot be accused of being lazy - if he had it his way, he would have been in every frame of TOS - much less every scene - and this caused problems. He urged and got rewrites taking scenes and lines from regular and guest cast members. Understandably, this resulted in resentment and tension - resentment and tension that persists to this day, *COUGH* Takei *COUGH*.
This post was edited on 11/13/16 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 11/13/16 at 9:59 pm to elprez00
quote:Picard was a pussy
Yes. And it's why Picard was a much better captain.
Posted on 11/13/16 at 10:01 pm to Ace Midnight
quote:Yes, ST=WT+FP
just as big an influence (perhaps bigger) from a plot/content standpoint is Forbidden Planet, which was denied for years but Gene ultimately admitted way later, and Shatner's Kirk had a shite ton in common with Leslie Nielsen's Commander John J. Adams - a dude that led from the absolute front.
I left out one b/c I wanted to make my point about the captain/scout format w/o complicating things
Something to remember about WT and ST. Shatner was much younger than Ward Bond, who was happy to stay with the wagons and avoid the plots (and often strenuous stunts or fight scenes). However this did not stop Bond from trying to Shat all over co-star Robert Horton, notably the classic tactic of shooting his own closeups first, and then insisting there wasn't enough time for Horton's. The Bond-Horton feud was highly publicized at the time; I believe it may even have made the cover of TV Guide.
ST was not cast in the usual dynamic of older mentor/younger apprentice (WT, Ben Casey, Dr. Kildare, Naked City, etc...). Shatner and Nimoy were born the same year. So Shatner's insistence on being more active in stries is kind of understandable -- the audience may actualy have expected it.
There was a similar situation on an earlier western, Rawhide. The lead was supposed to be Joel McCrea (in his mid 50s) but eventually the role went to Eric Fleming (mid 30s). This changed the format from surrogate father/son with co-star Clint Eastwood to sibling rivalry. And I do mean rivalry -- Eastwood hated Fleming, who was said to be Shatner-level difficult off camera. Perhaps unique among TV shows you can often see this in Eastwood's face, as he wasn't a good enough actor to hide his emotions.
quote:Claim, hell -- he tried to sell the show based on its resemblance to Wagon Trainquote:To be fair, from a "structure" standpoint, this is largely true and Gene did claim this
On Wagon Train, the show that inspired ST
Posted on 11/14/16 at 12:27 am to PatDyesPants
I always thought it was odd and very unmilitary that three of the highest officers on the ship always went with the landing party.
Star Trek V has an odd part where the shuttle crashes upon landing on the Enterprise and no quick reaction force or team is around anywhere. Consequently, Spock's brother takes over the ship. Seems strange that a shuttle carrying the upper command of the ship would crash upon landing and the whole ship doesn't even take notice.
Star Trek V has an odd part where the shuttle crashes upon landing on the Enterprise and no quick reaction force or team is around anywhere. Consequently, Spock's brother takes over the ship. Seems strange that a shuttle carrying the upper command of the ship would crash upon landing and the whole ship doesn't even take notice.
Posted on 11/14/16 at 8:25 am to PatDyesPants
He was the only one who could mind crick entities like Landru and Nomad with really really basic level "logic" so he had to be involved in everything.
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