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re: Interesting take from the OBC on the LSU/Florida mess
Posted on 10/12/16 at 8:28 am to sicboy
Posted on 10/12/16 at 8:28 am to sicboy
Isn't this the exact thing Aleva said on Monday?
I actually thing this is one of the solutions to the mess Florida and Sankey have created because it's likely the game will not be played.
They could draft a rule to be voted upon by member institutions that will only be effective for the 2016 football season.
I actually thing this is one of the solutions to the mess Florida and Sankey have created because it's likely the game will not be played.
They could draft a rule to be voted upon by member institutions that will only be effective for the 2016 football season.
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Posted on 10/12/16 at 8:38 am to sicboy
That's always been Spurrier's take. He had a couple years at SC where he went undefeated in the east but lost both western division games and a 1 loss east team that he beat head to head got to play for a championship.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 8:39 am to TheDeathValley
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It makes sense. West determines west, east determines east, and let the SECCG decide the SEC champion.
Truth here - how many times does one team get saddled with playing a couple of powerhouses from the other division while another team gets powder puffs.
LSU v FL is a perennial big game whereas AL v TN is only rarely a contest.
And whatever Western Div team is locked up with Vanderbilt as their permanent rival is pretty much getting a SEC bye and an automatic win in 9 out of 10 years. Pretty much same for KY.
Let the two divisions concentrate on winning against their cohorts = same level playing field every year. Then let the two divisions duel it out in the SECCG. Sure there would be years when a 3-3 tie-breaker division would face a 6-0 opponent and it would be a dog of a game. But more often one team is victimized by the luck of the draw concerning the OOD schedule strengths of the two opponents.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 8:57 am to Laman1978
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You could always use cross divisional games as tie breakers.
This guy gets it.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 9:09 am to ChineseBandit58
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Truth here - how many times does one team get saddled with playing a couple of powerhouses from the other division while another team gets powder puffs.
LSU v FL is a perennial big game whereas AL v TN is only rarely a contest.
I get the sentiment here, but college football fluctuates so much that in 5 years this argument could be made the other way around...and most of the cross division rivalries (aside from the two new ones) are pretty close to even as far as all-time records go.
This post was edited on 10/12/16 at 9:11 am
Posted on 10/12/16 at 9:18 am to EarnYourStripes
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You could always use cross divisional games as tie breakers.
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This guy gets it.
Even though the possibility of 2 teams tying would be the rarest of rare, the argument would still come back that team A got screwed because they had the tougher permanent cross divisional opponent.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 9:43 am to sicboy
One worry about not counting the cross-division game is that teams may not play as hard as in other games ex. they may sit some players who otherwise would have played.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 10:31 am to ctalati32
Rules are already in place. Changing them will take an act of congress. Hope it happens.
SEC has been screwed up for years. In sports everything is suppose to be on an even playing field.
Home field advantage is rotated.
Same number of players.
Same number of coaches allowed.
Same number of practice minutes.
Same number of practice days.
Same equipment available for visiting teams.
But the SEC has seen fit two screw up everything they possibly can.
Teams are NOT created equal over time. With that being the case it is unfairfor team X to play Team Y every year instead of an equal rotation.
This must equal unlevel playing field.
So yeah, IF you are going to have an unlevel playing field then steps should be taken to remove that from the mix. Cross division games should not count for divisional champions.
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This has been my argument from day one. Why do we even call ourselves the SEC. When you only play some teams that are supposedly in your conf. a couple of times in a decade!
Removal of permanent opp. would solve the problem or not counting cross div. games is another. Only the second option would make sense this year to make this crap level and fair.
SEC has been screwed up for years. In sports everything is suppose to be on an even playing field.
Home field advantage is rotated.
Same number of players.
Same number of coaches allowed.
Same number of practice minutes.
Same number of practice days.
Same equipment available for visiting teams.
But the SEC has seen fit two screw up everything they possibly can.
Teams are NOT created equal over time. With that being the case it is unfairfor team X to play Team Y every year instead of an equal rotation.
This must equal unlevel playing field.
So yeah, IF you are going to have an unlevel playing field then steps should be taken to remove that from the mix. Cross division games should not count for divisional champions.
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This has been my argument from day one. Why do we even call ourselves the SEC. When you only play some teams that are supposedly in your conf. a couple of times in a decade!
Removal of permanent opp. would solve the problem or not counting cross div. games is another. Only the second option would make sense this year to make this crap level and fair.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 10:41 am to sicboy
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Granted, this is from the guy who was slightly annoyed a 3 loss LSU team made the 2001 SECCG and his Florida Gators were stuck behind Tennessee with 2 losses
Maybe, but LSU would've still gone to the SECCG in 2001 with just divisional records, as the Tigers lost to Florida and Tennessee in 2001, their only other conference loss was to Mississippi who had 3 losses to West teams.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 10:42 am to sicboy
Perfect. And since UForfeit and LSU both have a loss in division now, it favors neither team. Case closed.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 10:45 am to WildTchoupitoulas
If the rule is changed for future years -
Scenerio:
Alabama loses to LSU in the West and to Tennessee and South Carolina in the East.
LSU loses to Auburn and Ole Miss in the West.
Alabama is 9-3 overall, 5-3 overall in the SEC, and 5-1 in the SEC West.
LSU is 10-2 overall, 6-2 overall in the SEC, and 4-2 in the SEC West (And beat Alabama head to head).
Based on the new SEC rule of West games only for West teams, Alabama wins the West. Yeah, no one would bitch.
Scenerio:
Alabama loses to LSU in the West and to Tennessee and South Carolina in the East.
LSU loses to Auburn and Ole Miss in the West.
Alabama is 9-3 overall, 5-3 overall in the SEC, and 5-1 in the SEC West.
LSU is 10-2 overall, 6-2 overall in the SEC, and 4-2 in the SEC West (And beat Alabama head to head).
Based on the new SEC rule of West games only for West teams, Alabama wins the West. Yeah, no one would bitch.
This post was edited on 10/12/16 at 10:48 am
Posted on 10/12/16 at 10:47 am to sicboy
Then how does the SEC offices disadvantage those teams not Bama if we do that.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 10:49 am to sicboy
He is right.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 11:07 am to SouthEndzoneTiger
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If the rule is changed for future years -
Scenerio:
Alabama loses to LSU in the West and to Tennessee and South Carolina in the East.
LSU loses to Auburn and Ole Miss in the West.
Alabama is 9-3 overall, 5-3 overall in the SEC, and 5-1 in the SEC West.
LSU is 10-2 overall, 6-2 overall in the SEC, and 4-2 in the SEC West (And beat Alabama head to head).
Based on the new SEC rule of West games only for West teams, Alabama wins the West. Yeah, no one would bitch
Posted on 10/12/16 at 11:31 am to Statestreet
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It's true
Agreed.
I mean, if every team played every other team, it would be one thing.
But, they don't. So. You've got some pretty uneven playing fields with divisions
Posted on 10/12/16 at 11:37 am to sicboy
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Obviously can't change the rules now
The so-called commish can......but, he needs to grow a pair,.......soon--------something overlooked in their hiring process.........
Posted on 10/12/16 at 12:08 pm to mrbroker
I think an (?good?) alternative is to turn the cross-divisional games/record into a tie breaker, one of the top 3. Simplicity dictates that would just be an "overall SEC record"
Posted on 10/12/16 at 12:11 pm to sicboy
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Steve Spurrier on the Florida/LSU debacle: "Your division champ should be decided on division games."
If they do this then the game does not have to be made up and it takes a lot of heat off of Florida!
Steve Spurrier is offering an out for Florida. Who would have guessed that?
Posted on 10/12/16 at 12:16 pm to I20goon
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I think an (?good?) alternative is to turn the cross-divisional games/record into a tie breaker, one of the top 3. Simplicity dictates that would just be an "overall SEC record"
Now that we have OT, how could 2 teams in the West end up in a tie? I can think of 1 possibility, and it has never happened in the past. May never happen in the future.
Posted on 10/12/16 at 12:17 pm to ATL-TIGER-732
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If they do this then the game does not have to be made up and it takes a lot of heat off of Florida!
If they do this the conference will implode. 14 coaches, 14 ADs, 14 presidents and the SEC office all agreed to play this season under the current rules. Can you imagine if the commissioner decided to change them mid-season? It ain't happening.
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