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Strength and conditioning discussion
Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:08 pm
Why are we having so many leg injuries at the start of this season? Is there something the team is doing differently this season or off-season they didn't do in the past?
I know Coach Moffit is one of the best S&C coaches and he's highly innovative with workouts, but what is going on? Is this on him?
I've heard Moffit talking about the players doing yoga as part of their schedule. How is this beneficial? I'm not a PT but even I can understand that power and limber contradict each other.
I hope we've seen the last of the injuries, Geaux Tigahs!
I know Coach Moffit is one of the best S&C coaches and he's highly innovative with workouts, but what is going on? Is this on him?
I've heard Moffit talking about the players doing yoga as part of their schedule. How is this beneficial? I'm not a PT but even I can understand that power and limber contradict each other.
I hope we've seen the last of the injuries, Geaux Tigahs!
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Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:09 pm to colors_of_kings
Have fun with down votes. I got laughed at for bringing this up two knee injuries ago
Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:17 pm to colors_of_kings
Strength and flexibility do not contradict each other. It's a violent sport played by massive athletes. shite happens and people get injured.
Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:22 pm to colors_of_kings
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I've heard Moffit talking about the players doing yoga as part of their schedule. How is this beneficial? I'm not a PT but even I can understand that power and limber contradict each other.
Power and flexibility do not contradict each other.
Olympic weightlifters are arguably the most flexible athletes in the world aside from gymnasts. The entire Hatch System implemented by Coach Moffit, as well as four other Power 5 Conference strength and conditioning coaches, is predicated on building strength and power through the Olympic lifts.
Yoga assists in maintaining elasticity in the muscles, which allow them to undergo their full range of motion and also aids in achieving maximal contraction. It is not uncommon for football teams to engage in some form of extensive stretching program such as yoga. If I'm not mistaken, Saban's 2003 team even made use of it.
Yoga is a predominantly passive stretching activity that involves many static holds. That wouldn't necessarily make it a beneficial practice immediately prior to athletic activity because it limits force production. However, it is a phenomenal prehab tool which can be used after lifting and conditioning while the muscles are already warm and engorged with blood.
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Why are we having so many leg injuries at the start of this season? Is there something the team is doing differently this season or off-season they didn't do in the past?
I know Coach Moffit is one of the best S&C coaches and he's highly innovative with workouts, but what is going on? Is this on him?
Injuries happen in football. It's just a fact of the sport.
Injuries also happen in cycles with various programs. Some teams become plagued by the "injury bug". It sounds bogus, but shite happens. There's no need to necessarily blame the coaching staff.
Now, if athletes are repeatedly unable to rehabilitate properly, then you can begin to question the practices of both the strength and conditioning and the athletic training staff.
This post was edited on 8/21/16 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:23 pm to colors_of_kings
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I'm not a PT but even I can understand that power and limber contradict each other.
lol, they go in hand in hand.
What in the actual frick
Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:25 pm to colors_of_kings
Yoga is one of the best things to do for both flexibility and balance. Athletes have been doing it for years and it has been nothin but beneficial. Trying to link a joint injury with yoga is laughably stupid.
Also how in the absolute frick do you think that power and flexibility contradicte one another?
This post was edited on 8/21/16 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:29 pm to colors_of_kings
20 years in S&C here. It's probably freak things. shite happens. Moffitt & his crew didn't forget how to prepare a team in the last year.
Now, I don't know how they've changed or if they've changed their approach to identifying & addressing individual dysfunction. But 5 years ago when I had trainers working for me that interned with LSU, they told me they weren't doing much. It was old school hatch. Nothing more, nothing less. I would think as it's gotten more popular & more backed with proof that they would have implemented something by now. Every Pro sports franchise & many many NCAA have. But I don't know. My lil brother will be interning with Moffitt next summer. I can't wait to get an inside look at what they do/don't do
Now, I don't know how they've changed or if they've changed their approach to identifying & addressing individual dysfunction. But 5 years ago when I had trainers working for me that interned with LSU, they told me they weren't doing much. It was old school hatch. Nothing more, nothing less. I would think as it's gotten more popular & more backed with proof that they would have implemented something by now. Every Pro sports franchise & many many NCAA have. But I don't know. My lil brother will be interning with Moffitt next summer. I can't wait to get an inside look at what they do/don't do
Posted on 8/21/16 at 3:30 pm to colors_of_kings
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I've heard Moffit talking about the players doing yoga as part of their schedule. How is this beneficial? I'm not a PT but even I can understand that power and limber contradict each other.
So you think increased flexibility is a bad thing for a high level athlete? Makes sense...
Posted on 8/21/16 at 4:11 pm to colors_of_kings
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I'm not a PT
No shite.
Posted on 8/21/16 at 4:38 pm to colors_of_kings
You can't have a discussion about this. Our strength and conditioning coach is grandized no matter what. He is a good one, but we have been pushed around plenty by physically prepared teams.
Posted on 8/21/16 at 4:53 pm to colors_of_kings
The injuries seem to be joint and bone injuries. It's a contact sport with big people and these injuries will happen. Sometimes the athletes are so strong that the joints can't sustain their strength. I think back to Bo Jackson being so strong that he pulled his leg out of his hip joint while being tackled.
This post was edited on 8/21/16 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 8/21/16 at 4:59 pm to colors_of_kings
I read an article before the 2014 season that since the helmet to helmet contact rule, the coaches are coaching tackling low with greater fervor. Some hypothesize this has caused an increase in leg injuries. There has been a noticeable increase in these type of injuries since the rule has been in place.
Posted on 8/21/16 at 5:01 pm to colors_of_kings
If they use grass mixed with turf or just turf, seems that causes injuries. Foot stays in one place, rest of body keeps moving. Those would be more if non contact injuries.
Like poster said above, it could be coaches teaching to tackle lower.
Like poster said above, it could be coaches teaching to tackle lower.
This post was edited on 8/21/16 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 8/21/16 at 5:13 pm to colors_of_kings
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Why are we having so many leg injuries at the start of this season? Is there something the team is doing differently this season or off-season they didn't do in the past?
This is a very legit question. I was wondering the same thing. I noticed when Boom was a UF he would have 5-6 ACL's a year and most on his DL guys. I figured it might have something to do with the drills they were running. I think he has had a couple already this season too at USCe.
This is by far the worst spate of knee injuries we have seen for many years.
Posted on 8/21/16 at 5:21 pm to colors_of_kings
It's football. Wisconsin has had 6 starters injured since August drills started.
Posted on 8/21/16 at 5:49 pm to colors_of_kings
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I've heard Moffit talking about the players doing yoga as part of their schedule. How is this beneficial? I'm not a PT but even I can understand that power and limber contradict each other.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 4:24 am to colors_of_kings
i always laugh when we get more than one injury at a time and people start blaming Moffitt. Do you really believe injuries can't occur to more than one person in a matter of days, or every time should it just be one injured person?
My God this is one of the most injury prone sports around. LSU has been lucky for a good while in not having multiple guys getting injuried in practice. The majority of our injuries occur during the season and it was a shock to lose starter Mills last year before the start of the season because it rarely occurs.
My God this is one of the most injury prone sports around. LSU has been lucky for a good while in not having multiple guys getting injuried in practice. The majority of our injuries occur during the season and it was a shock to lose starter Mills last year before the start of the season because it rarely occurs.
Posted on 8/22/16 at 6:36 am to colors_of_kings
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I've heard Moffit talking about the players doing yoga as part of their schedule. How is this beneficial? I'm not a PT but even I can understand that power and limber contradict each other.
Being limber helps with injuries in big ways(Example: injuries occur when things are bent to far or wrong way and when you are limber and stretched greatly then your body is able too stretch and bend more so than others)...the 07 team that won the NC all did yoga as part of there practice....and we didnt have near the injuries that year if i recall...i always said it should be something we did every year...
one other example is...put a rubber band in the freezer over night...let it freeze and then stretch it and see how far it stretches vs a rubberband that isnt frozen
Posted on 8/22/16 at 10:55 am to colors_of_kings
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I've heard Moffit talking about the players doing yoga as part of their schedule. How is this beneficial? I'm not a PT but even I can understand that power and limber contradict each other.
You think yoga is in any way bad for our players?
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