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re: Making a Murderer: Brendan Dassey Conviction Overturned
Posted on 8/12/16 at 7:57 pm to Antonio Moss
Posted on 8/12/16 at 7:57 pm to Antonio Moss
Not nearly enough utilization of the verb, noun, and adjective that is the word 'yeah' in this thread.
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Posted on 8/12/16 at 7:58 pm to Antonio Moss
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It just shows some the serious defects in are criminal justice system. The DA convicted Avery on the theory that Avery shot the victim in the head and the same DA convicted Dassey on the theory that Dassey and Avery raped, stabbed, and strangled the victim.
I'm pretty solidly on the side that says they did it.
However, the way the DA convicted one on certain grounds then the other on different ones and allowed confessions in one trial and not in the other and all the other shite was scary as hell IMO.
Posted on 8/12/16 at 8:19 pm to ell_13
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U.S. Magistrate Judge William Duffin said "misconduct" by Dassey's lawyer, Len Kachinsky, in defending Dassey was "indefensible.
That was the biggest takeaway from the HBO series.
He seemed like a DA plant being paid off.
Should end up like Nifong if the doc is correct.
Posted on 8/14/16 at 5:58 am to ell_13
Awesome.. He should have never even had to stand trial. Glad to hear this.
Posted on 8/14/16 at 9:00 am to AUbagman
I stayed out of the other thread when it was announced, but I'm not holding back again. Its a shame they let a raping, murderer out. The show potrayed him as a retard fat kid who got railroaded and everybody bought it, like a bunch of suckers. There is no chance he is innocent. He was with Avery the whole night. If he is innocent, then so is Avery. He admitted it 4 times or more and revealed unreleased elements of the crime. At best, he just watched it all happen and did nothing. The celebration just sickens me. He won't be out long though..
Posted on 8/14/16 at 9:02 am to abellsujr
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The DA has 90 days to retry him.
Really hope the state re tries this case. I can't wait to see the DA's story of how this all went down again. It's like a real life version of the board game Clue.
Posted on 8/14/16 at 9:26 am to StickD
I agree that he probably had something to do with it, but you can't go around convicting people the way he was. If you allow authorities to act the way they did in this case they could just lock up whoever they please for whatever reason.
Posted on 8/14/16 at 9:37 am to Ham Solo
You punish the cops then, you don't let killers go free. Maybe you lighten the sentence or give the criminal some perks, but he can't just walk. If so, prepare for alot of street justice cause families don't let stuff like this go. I already admire the Hallbach family for their restraint. If that happened to any of my sisters, I'd have all my family arming up and looking for revenge. The guy wouldn't last a week walking around..
Posted on 8/14/16 at 9:42 am to brmark70816
You are missing the point. The authorities haven't proven that he did anything wrong. It sure looks like he did, but it has to be proven in a legal way with him having a fair trial and proper defense. None of that has happened at this point.
Posted on 8/14/16 at 10:02 am to Ham Solo
He admitted it, multiple times. I guess you are missing that. I will keep repeating this, because no one seems to understand the law. They do not have to show a theory of the crime or how he did it. It doesn't matter. He was there and he helped to try to hide/destroy evidence. He is guilty.
Posted on 8/14/16 at 10:09 am to brmark70816
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He admitted it, multiple times. I guess you are missing that. I will keep repeating this, because no one seems to understand the law. They do not have to show a theory of the crime or how he did it. It doesn't matter. He was there and he helped to try to hide/destroy evidence. He is guilty.
He only admitted it after the cops kept saying "you did it didn't you?" And promising him he could go back to class. The guy has the mental capacity of a third grader.
Posted on 8/14/16 at 10:12 am to brmark70816
Each of those multiple times he gave different stories that were fed to him. He has also denied it multiple times. Some of the times he admitted to it were proved to be impossible by the evidence. They need to do their jobs and prove something rather than trick mentally impaired kids into repeating their narrative.
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Posted on 8/14/16 at 10:26 am to brmark70816
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You punish the cops then
Posted on 8/14/16 at 10:39 am to Byron Bojangles III
You see, you haven't read the elements of the case or the timeline. He denied it the first time he was interviewed and deflected. Several months later he was in a deep depression and admitted involvement to a few family members. He was then re-interviewed by the police, with his mother's permission and her sitting outside. At that time, he confessed. He later confessed to his lawyer's investigator, the cops again and then phoned his mother and told her he did it. Throw out one, two it really doesn't matter. He admitted it.
The being dumb, stupid, impaired, retarded doesn't matter. A vast majority of criminals are the same way. It falls in line and they are capable of unspeakable acts. Just because the cops might have tricked him or manipulated doesn't make it untrue and its far from illegal. Some of the aspects were false or exaggerated, but he knew things that only the killer would. Its enough to convince a jury and he'll be found guilty again..
The being dumb, stupid, impaired, retarded doesn't matter. A vast majority of criminals are the same way. It falls in line and they are capable of unspeakable acts. Just because the cops might have tricked him or manipulated doesn't make it untrue and its far from illegal. Some of the aspects were false or exaggerated, but he knew things that only the killer would. Its enough to convince a jury and he'll be found guilty again..
Posted on 8/14/16 at 10:44 am to brmark70816
I'm guessing none of this was in the show? Don't remember anything you're describing.
Posted on 8/14/16 at 11:34 am to brmark70816
If any of that is true, then you shouldn't be worried about it. They can take him to court and convict him properly this time. Letting him rot from all the monkey business in the first just tells the police and lawyers that it is okay to pull underhanded shite.
Posted on 8/14/16 at 11:36 am to brmark70816
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You see, you haven't read the elements of the case or the timeline. He denied it the first time he was interviewed and deflected. Several months later he was in a deep depression and admitted involvement to a few family members. He was then re-interviewed by the police, with his mother's permission and her sitting outside. At that time, he confessed. He later confessed to his lawyer's investigator, the cops again and then phoned his mother and told her he did it. Throw out one, two it really doesn't matter. He admitted it.
The being dumb, stupid, impaired, retarded doesn't matter. A vast majority of criminals are the same way. It falls in line and they are capable of unspeakable acts. Just because the cops might have tricked him or manipulated doesn't make it untrue and its far from illegal. Some of the aspects were false or exaggerated, but he knew things that only the killer would. Its enough to convince a jury and he'll be found guilty again..
Now you're just making stuff up
Posted on 8/14/16 at 11:38 am to brmark70816
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I stayed out of the other thread when it was announced, but I'm not holding back again. Its a shame they let a raping, murderer out.
Why do you think he murdered and raped her?
Posted on 8/14/16 at 11:39 am to Byron Bojangles III
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Now you're just making stuff up
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Posted on 8/14/16 at 11:45 am to Ham Solo
What underhanded shite did they pull? It was a standard interrogation. Its adversarial and the police are supposed to trick you into saying things you don't want to admit. Its a science that volumes of books have been written about. His intelligence or lack there of only made it easier. He wasn't coerced, beaten, threatened or tortured. The police gave him food, drinks and never even raised their voices. That was the lightest interrogation I've ever seen. He broke easily, cause he needed to confess.
His first lawyer was kind of messed up. But what do you do when you get a client that has confessed to the crime already? You try to get him the best deal possible. Thats all you can do and its the most logical conclusion. The kid was going to jail regardless. If he testified, he would have been out already and not facing down another trial. But his family manipulated him into changing his tune. Shows how much they cared for him..
His first lawyer was kind of messed up. But what do you do when you get a client that has confessed to the crime already? You try to get him the best deal possible. Thats all you can do and its the most logical conclusion. The kid was going to jail regardless. If he testified, he would have been out already and not facing down another trial. But his family manipulated him into changing his tune. Shows how much they cared for him..
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