re: Making a Murderer: Brendan Dassey Conviction Overturned

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brmark70816

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He didn't confess to jack shite. He was gang pressed by the police into saying what they wanted.

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The being dumb, stupid, impaired, retarded doesn't matter. A vast majority of criminals are the same way. It falls in line and they are capable of unspeakable acts. Just because the cops might have tricked him or manipulated doesn't make it untrue and its far from illegal.

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You really want our legal system to be like East Germany? Or Kafka's "The Trial"?

This isn't the old west....and false confessions are a very real and disturbing thing.

You prove cases on evidence, not bullying in a locked up room for hours on end without seeing a lawyer.

So the best example you have of Dassey actually proving he knows what happens is that the garage had bleach in it?

Bleach that was found on his jeans by his mother, within the timeline of the murder. The details about the areas he described weren't available to the public. If we want to dismiss that as an inconvenient coincidence, then there's also the matter that phone transcripts (not broadcast on Netflix) show pretty clearly that he confessed to his mother about the murder...although in his defense, he went along with it out of fear of retribution by Avery, who apparently physically, sexually, and mentally abused Dassey on many occasions. There's other stuff too, but I've learned that most staunch "Team Avery/Dassey" supporters are gonna believe what they want to believe....it's all out there to be read.

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X-Pac — I’ll Give Brendan Dassey WrestleMania Tickets … If He’s Released From Prison

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brmark70816

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All this time has passed, and you still don't know what you're talking about?

Tell you what, lets play this game the other way. Where do you think she was killed and mutilated? I'd love to hear your brilliant breakdown of the crime and who the real culprit was.

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There was absolutely zero physical evidence linking him to the crime.

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I'm not sure what you mean by this. We know her remains were found in the burnpit. We know her car was found in their junkyard. We have lots of physical evidence.

We know that he said they used bleach to clean up and he came home that night with bleach stains on his clothing, which they found. Call me crazy, but I don't see them routinely using bleach to clean.

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Just an admission that was proven wrong by any reasonable person.

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He admitted to doing it to the police. He admitted to doing it to his mom on monitored phone calls. He admitted he did it to his first set of lawyers.

I bet he would've gone to the top of the mountain and said he did it.

His admission had facts that no one else knew and led to them investigating his leads and led to more evidence.

Look, many people who actually looked at all the facts and not just the propaganda piece from netflix realize he did it.

But that doesn't mean that he wasn't taken advantage of by the system. His initial lawyer really was more for the prosecution than for his client.

His trial and everything was tainted. The best thing now would be for the DA and Brendan's new lawyer to come to terms with a plea agreement which is what he should've done in the first place.

I don't see him doing this without his uncle pressuring him to do it.

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We know that he said they used bleach to clean up and he came home that night with bleach stains on his clothing, which they found. Call me crazy, but I don't see them routinely using bleach to clean.

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Did you ever get the differences sorted out? That was you hung up on that, wasn't it?

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Yes, yes they do.

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Look up Wisconsin state law. The prosecution does not have to give an account of the crime (Avery's lawyers have explained this many times in interviews). Only that the defendant was involved and responsible. This is carried on further by the destruction of her remains and the tampering of evidence. This lessens the prosecutions obligation, as the murderer shouldn't be rewarded for trying to hide the crime. Circumstantial evidence carries a much stronger weight and can be used for conviction (look up murder conviction without a body).

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A confession is not sufficient for a conviction, especially a confession that was coerced.

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I do not feel that it was coerced. Police interviews are supposed to be hard and probing. They are designed to force people to admit what they don't want to. But throw them out, if you want. He admitted it to other family members and to his mother (when he didn't know he was being recorded). He is Avery's alibi, they were with each other pretty much the whole night. If Avery is guilty, then Dassey was involved. There is no way around that.

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It kinda does. I have no idea why you're so dug in and committed to what you think happened. No chance he's innocent? Very few things in life are ever 100% or 0%.

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I'm a realist. I have read so many threads and watched hours of tape on this case. They are guilty. Neither one has done anything to prove they are innocent. They have lied and changed their stories constantly, they have impeded and stone walled the investigation, neither has openly denied involvement, neither has taken a polygraph. Their defense is silence and that is really it. There is just no other version of this crime, where neither one is involved, that makes any sense and I have heard dozens. I had doubts at first, but I kept going till I made up my mind. Now I have no doubt..