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re: Slavery reparations sought in first Black Lives Matter agenda
Posted on 8/2/16 at 10:33 am to fr33manator
Posted on 8/2/16 at 10:33 am to fr33manator
absolutely fantastic podcast. It really makes you wonder what western civ would be like today.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 10:33 am to fr33manator
My only question is why isn't this more discussed among the Latin Americans? Not Caribbeans who participate in the same discussion as black Americans, but those in Central and South America.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 10:34 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Real answer: They developed superior weapons at the ideal time to conquer further than humans had ever been able to attempt before.
Had the Mongols begun their conquests from a more western start point, Europe (and likely most of NW/Central Africa) would have been decimated. Those fools didn't play.
All comes down to timing.
That's only part of the answer. Does it not take an advanced civilization to develop those weapons in the first place? And it's not just weapons. There are far more things that go into developing and advancing a civilization.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 10:43 am to Darth_Vader
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That's only part of the answer. Does it not take an advanced civilization to develop those weapons in the first place? And it's not just weapons. There are far more things that go into developing and advancing a civilization.
Not saying there aren't, but the linchpin is being able/willing to spread one's influence/culture militarily. Different civilizations have had superior weaponry at different times. Other cultures had vast knowledge that never saw the light of day because they got wiped out. European culture as we traditionally think of it avoided the Russian roulette of cultures that rose/fell and were the first to effectively take advantage of a shrinking planet.
This post was edited on 8/2/16 at 10:44 am
Posted on 8/2/16 at 10:44 am to trom83
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anti-racism Black Lives Matter movement
Something seems off
Posted on 8/2/16 at 10:50 am to trom83
America should match dollar for dollar whatever reparations that Islam gives to Black Lives Matters.
Islam didn't think black lives mattered when Islam enslaved Africans and sold to slave ships 400 years ago.
Islam didn't think black lives mattered when Islam enslaved Africans and sold to slave ships 400 years ago.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 10:51 am to JETigER
Islam don't have deep pockets. America does. An with everything else, they follow the money.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 10:57 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Not saying there aren't, but the linchpin is being able/willing to spread one's influence/culture militarily. Different civilizations have had superior weaponry at different times. Other cultures had vast knowledge that never saw the light of day because they got wiped out. European culture as we traditionally think of it avoided the Russian roulette of cultures that rose/fell and were the first to effectively take advantage of a shrinking planet.
Very true. But my question regarding the disparity between European civilization and African civilization still stands.
If it's a matter of societal stability, then again Europe should be at a disadvantage considering the fact not only did African civilization get at least a two millennia head start, Western European civilization at the start of European & African interaction had just gone through centuries of being invaded by outside forces on top of having their entire civilization collapse in what history records as the Dark Ages. We forget that the very Western Civilization that began probing Africa in the 1300 & 1400's was only a few centuries past having their own civilization driven back into the stone age for all intents and purposes. During this time, Africa for the most part was allowed to develop on it's own without having to face such cultural disasters the likes Western European civilization had to endure. So what is it that lead Western European civilization to leap forward so much and so fast comparative to that of the civilizations of Africa?
Posted on 8/2/16 at 10:59 am to trom83
Look, I believe that reparations are a ridiculous concept/demand. Especially considering the countless avenues that are available to better oneself. I hesitate to use any variation of the term "they" because that shite is just as racist as what everyone is bitching about. But, just to be clear, government assistance has to be qualified for. That seems to be something that a lot here don't understand.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:01 am to Darth_Vader
Why don't you just tell the board what answer you're angling for?
I believe my point is fair and still stands.
I believe my point is fair and still stands.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:05 am to trom83
Reality show idea:
Give 10 of these people one way tickets back to their ancestral home and see how long they can last over there.
Have a feeling they go 3 days without Internet, plumbing, and limited A/C they'll be begging to come back
Give 10 of these people one way tickets back to their ancestral home and see how long they can last over there.
Have a feeling they go 3 days without Internet, plumbing, and limited A/C they'll be begging to come back
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:12 am to TbirdSpur2010
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Why don't you just tell the board what answer you're angling for?
To be honest, I'm not angling for any answer. I'm genuinely wondering how, given all the circumstances, European civilization was able to advance so far ahead of African civilization. If anything, African civilization should have been ahead of European civilization at the start of the 1400's. but the exact opposite was true. I honestly want to know how that happened.
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I believe my point is fair and still stands.
Indeed your point is fair and thus still stands.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:14 am to Hoops
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frick every single person that supports, even tolerates, this racist bullshite.
x 1000
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:14 am to MontanaMax
Welfare is widely misunderstood. Firstly, it has major issues, not the least of which is the fact that it discourages the marginal improvement over time that is required to pull yourself out of poverty. I don't know how to fix it, but that is where the problem lies.
The second frustrating problem, at least IMO, is the idea that it is a pride thing that keeps people from turning to an easier life on welfare. That is pure BS. It has nothing to do with pride and everything to do with the fact that qualifying for welfare is a shitty life. People romanticize it as if it's just as comfortable to mail it in as it is to make $100k a year, and that's horseshite. If it was such a great life, far more people would turn to it. I'd like to think we're capable of discussing welfare problems and abuse without the hyperbole regarding how sweet it is. It is better to be poor in America than anywhere else, but that's about it.
The second frustrating problem, at least IMO, is the idea that it is a pride thing that keeps people from turning to an easier life on welfare. That is pure BS. It has nothing to do with pride and everything to do with the fact that qualifying for welfare is a shitty life. People romanticize it as if it's just as comfortable to mail it in as it is to make $100k a year, and that's horseshite. If it was such a great life, far more people would turn to it. I'd like to think we're capable of discussing welfare problems and abuse without the hyperbole regarding how sweet it is. It is better to be poor in America than anywhere else, but that's about it.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:14 am to trom83
I notice even more black people are speaking against BLM. They see it as a group sending the wrong message to black youth "we are all victims". I saw some black dude tweet something yesterday about how he is tired of hearing BLM talk about the black people who are killed by cops, because the amount of blacks killed by cops makes up about 0.04% of blacks murdered.
Honestly, Democrats gains nothing by being outspoken on the whole BLM. Its safe to say anyone who supports BLM is voting democrat no matter what, but the blacks who don't, they are more undecided so why put so much into a voting base you already have?
Honestly, Democrats gains nothing by being outspoken on the whole BLM. Its safe to say anyone who supports BLM is voting democrat no matter what, but the blacks who don't, they are more undecided so why put so much into a voting base you already have?
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:17 am to 504ByrdGang
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So the Irish being discriminated against= the same as 400 years of slavery that allowed this country be built for free in which y'all called when America was great. Its not finicially possible to give reparations
Where did you even come up with this nonsense. Slavery as widely acknowledged existed for around 150 years. Sure there were pockets here and there but the 400 years bit is lying bullshite that makes it difficult to take any of you other points seriously. As to building the nation for free, that bit of tripe confirmed it.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:21 am to Darth_Vader
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Is anything I said untrue? If so, please explain.
No Sir, hence the comment that it is a good talking point.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:23 am to trom83
I'm willing to pay reparations to every former slave that was on a plantation prior to the start of the Civil War.
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:28 am to trom83
"Investment in education & jobs." 1) subsidized housing? check. 2) subsidized food? check 3) subsidized child care? check 4) subsidized health care? check 5) income tax breaks? check.6) welfare? check Let's add up all the Federal ( ours ) moneys poured into all these subsidized programs going back decades & decades & decades and then let's see who owes who what.
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