re: F U Espys and NBA

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like I said, you're part of the problem

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Setting up a straw man? Congratulations. I see zero relevance to the subject of whether or not the OT is racist being a part of the problem. You water down a conversation to the easiest denominator, you're the problem. Go back and read the entirety of the post. I think BLM is a poorly run joke. But you will whittle it down to the talking point of whether or not the OT and MSB are largely racists. Literally look at the OPs post and count the upvotes/downvotes. Regardless of what you think they did wrong in that speech, they did much more RIGHT in that speech and again asked so very little of you or I in return. Yet F U ESPYs and NBA for subjecting us to that speech.

The misinformation and hyperbole on both sides is nauseating.

- The vast majority of interactions with LEOs are uneventful, but that doesn't excuse the times when things do go awry.
- The criminal background of a victim/perp has no bearing in whether or not their death is justifiable.
- By any measure out there, black people are no more likely to be killed by a police officer during an interaction than a white person or any other race.
- Framing the argument as if black parents are fearful for the safety of their children at the hands of the police is absurd when they're significantly more likely to be killed by someone in their neighborhood.
- Police officers aren't paid great and they have a dangerous job, but it doesn't excuse wrongdoing.
- Just because you can kill someone doesn't mean you should.
- There are no leaders in the "black community" because the black community doesn't exist. There are 38 million black people in this country and no one speaks for all of them or even a majority of them.
- On the same token, the majority of LEOs are good people too.

I could go on, but the crux of the argument is education with facts, not emotions. Stop believing every meme you see. Get off of social media, turn off the TV, and go out and interact with people in real life.

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most people just had a problem with them naming off Mike Brown, Sterling, Trayvon, etc in the beginning

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Imo, the Trayvon incident is a distinguishable situation from the Tamir Rice, Gray, Brown, and Sterling incidents.

ETA: I know that is kind of off-topic, I just cringe whenever his name gets lumped into it.

It's really stupid.

One person said that officers should not only learn to "de-escalate" situations, but not "escalate" situations in the first place? WTF? Do they not know why cops exist? Everyone knows I'm critical of police, but holy shite this mindset is just numbing. It's almost as if they are saying the police create criminals. NO. CRIMINALS MAKE CHOICES. The lack of personal responsibility and the refusal to address black culture in America in the BLM Movement is fallacious and very dangerous.

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we cannot let the societal value of that person overshadow the facts of whether or not a crime was committed.

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Not my argument. Character for both the cop and victim/perp in these situations is a part of the equation. Evidence can be circumstantial and character can be used to determine the probability of whether a crime was committed or not.

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Many of them are distinguishable, but when they get lumped together people completely disregard the entire message, and that is the problem that some people do not understand.

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The Martin incident lacks the important common denominator.

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This thread is a perfect example. If they don't list anyone, there is nothing to debate about their message. Instead, they rattle off high profile but completely different deaths and people completely miss the rest of their message.

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So people shouldn't criticize illogical arguments?

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its a legit criticism though

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Yeah I agree and I should have been more clear. The names are unnecessary and overshadow the message. I wish they didn't include them, but I also get their overriding point. Unfortunately many others can't see past it.

They included the names just to get peoples attention imo. That was the attention grabber hook. For many people, they paid more attention, but for many others as seen on this board, they paid even less attention.