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re: Complaints about the "lack of educational opportunity" for blacks.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:50 am to volod
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:50 am to volod
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Blacks are in the same public schools as whites.
That has not been my experience. I went to public schools, and I've tutored in minority areas for years. If you mean that both are offered a public education, sure. If you mean that a north side student gets the same quality education as a southside student, well, not even close.
There are a lot of reasons for the difference. I'm not throwing blame around. But that premise is flat wrong.
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Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:51 am to Paddyshack
Whites can attend hbcus.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:51 am to dj30
those schools offer enough for them to make a life and get an education. they fall into the peer pressure of early pregnancies and joining gangs.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:51 am to volod
this issue really has nothing to do with race, but moreso societal class
poor white people will struggle with educational opportunities the same way poor black people will
poor white people will struggle with educational opportunities the same way poor black people will
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:52 am to Powerman
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Not sure where you get this 35% number from
I think what is he saying is that if ALL students (including athletes) were admitted by the same standards, then quite a significant number of black (and white for that matter) students would not be eligible.
Lower standards = more opportunity
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 10:53 am
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:53 am to Nado Jenkins83
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those schools offer enough for them to make a life and get an education.
No they do not. Ive sat in these classrooms. The education is not up too par.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:53 am to volod
Opportunity is presented not given. It's a choice if you want to take it and that requires effort.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:54 am to Salmon
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poor white people will struggle with educational opportunities the same way poor black people will
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:54 am to dj30
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No they do not. Ive sat in these classrooms. The education is not up too par.
because the classes are constantly disrupted by rediculous behavior
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:54 am to dj30
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Whites can attend hbcus.
Doesn't mean they will be admitted.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:56 am to volod
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My qualifications and recommendations from primarily white professors has helped me progressed in my educational endeavors.
You should ask for your money back based on the structure of this sentence.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:57 am to cbi8
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If they can afford the tuition they are.
And? What's your point? It's everybody's else's fault they can't afford it? What a surprise.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:58 am to volod
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Education system in America is about money. If you can perform well in college and keep up with the material, you can succeed. If you can't keep up, you will be booted, and sent to a lesser institution. That is decidedly NOT education.
And there lies the rub. Better University = more money. So, where is the true "educational opportunity?" If you study hard and perform the work, you are A-OK (for now . . . there's going to be a major seachange in America's investment strategy, and education will not be at the top of the list); hell, affirmative action was set up to provide the "educational opportunity." If you are black, white, yellow, tie-dye, etc, and you complain about the lack of educational opportunity in America, you need to take a looooooong hard look in the mirror. Odds are you don't have the mental acuity to be in the race, so you need to bow out of your social media tripe.
Education system in America is about money. If you can perform well in college and keep up with the material, you can succeed. If you can't keep up, you will be booted, and sent to a lesser institution. That is decidedly NOT education.
And there lies the rub. Better University = more money. So, where is the true "educational opportunity?" If you study hard and perform the work, you are A-OK (for now . . . there's going to be a major seachange in America's investment strategy, and education will not be at the top of the list); hell, affirmative action was set up to provide the "educational opportunity." If you are black, white, yellow, tie-dye, etc, and you complain about the lack of educational opportunity in America, you need to take a looooooong hard look in the mirror. Odds are you don't have the mental acuity to be in the race, so you need to bow out of your social media tripe.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:59 am to cbi8
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But are they in the same private schools?
ETA: For all you ignorant people...they aren't.
I went to public school in a rural town in Central La. The kids who got educated and gave a frick are the ones who arent government leaches. Those kinds of people arent just relegated to black kids, there are plenty of rural white kids that took that route. The opportunity is there, someone just has to take advantage of whats there and give a flying frick. It doesnt matter about color, it matters about laziness and I've seen lazy arse whites as much as blacks. Take some god damned pride in making yourself a contributing citizen, it's only about color if you make it about color.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 10:59 am to rpg37
quote:Needs to be put on billboards throughout the country.
Schools have children 1/3 of the day 1/2 days of the year. Where they are the other 5/6 of the time is the difference.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:00 am to dj30
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No they do not. Ive sat in these classrooms. The education is not up too par.
Around a 3.5 GPA and 20 on the ACT would get you into LSU if you were a minority student when I was enrolled. Basic common sense makes both of those easily achievable in public high schools across the state, regardless of who's teaching.
The fact that some minorities don't achieve that goal is not an institutional problem, it's a personal one.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:01 am to Nado Jenkins83
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because the classes are constantly disrupted by rediculous behavior
Depends on the school, mines was not the case.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:02 am to dj30
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No they do not. Ive sat in these classrooms. The education is not up too par.
This is in my professional wheelhouse and in NOLA the public school system is vastly different than it was pre-Katrina. The problem isn't with the schools. You can't expect teachers to completely mold a student from day 1. If they never go home to an environment that is conducive to schoolwork the teacher might as well just show them how to dial a phone so they can call a lawyer sometime in the future.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:02 am to volod
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Blacks are in the same public schools as whites.
Typically public schools are at least in part funded by property taxes of an area. Poorer areas therefore provide less funding to the public schools. A higher proportion of black people live in poorer areas. The public schools in metairie are generally better than the school's in the city. The private and parochial schools are generally better than both.
At the foundation this is an issue of class and the cycle of poverty, but a higher proportion of black people tend to live in poverty. So it becomes a race issue.
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 11:05 am
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:02 am to Salmon
In Louisville KY, where I reside, we have 2- very prestigious all-male catholic schools - St. Xavier & Trinity.
It's $13,175.00 tuition per year, and increases 6% per year. There was an outcry from minorities that the tuition and entrance exam requirements made the school(s) exclusive to whites and non-AA minorities.
About 5 years ago, local businesses started a charter school for AA's, that allows free tuition, and more aggressive curriculum to prepare AA's for admission to these schools. Upon completion, they get to go to either school for free.
So there are several kids getting very good opportunities, and basically, when you figure in books and fees etc, a $15K + scholarship per year thanks to local business owners.
It's $13,175.00 tuition per year, and increases 6% per year. There was an outcry from minorities that the tuition and entrance exam requirements made the school(s) exclusive to whites and non-AA minorities.
About 5 years ago, local businesses started a charter school for AA's, that allows free tuition, and more aggressive curriculum to prepare AA's for admission to these schools. Upon completion, they get to go to either school for free.
So there are several kids getting very good opportunities, and basically, when you figure in books and fees etc, a $15K + scholarship per year thanks to local business owners.
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