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re: Complaints about the "lack of educational opportunity" for blacks.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:27 am to rpg37
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:27 am to rpg37
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I can tell you as a teacher who taught in inner city Memphis that these all-black schools get more state and federal funding than the white schools do. The teachers are paid more, they have more technology in the classroom and better equipment overall. It is the home life of the blacks that keeps them falling behind. Schools have children 1/3 of the day 1/2 days of the year. Where they are the other 5/6 of the time is the difference.
Jackson Public Schools are in deplorable condition. I don't think it's going to change anytime soon. But, we did get the superintendent that turned your schools around.
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Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:28 am to Salmon
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mines was not the case.
people teaching the students this is proper english.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:29 am to dj30
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Yes seriously. Im typing on my damn phone. We can,post credentials,if you want to start that conversation.
eeeeeeeeeasy fella.
imaginary internet - OT credentials are always a bonus though.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:30 am to volod
Spending five minutes reading the OT Brain Trust's thoughts on race, education, O&G, etc. answers a lot of questions that outsiders might have about the economic and political catastrophe that is Louisiana.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:33 am to volod
I went to 50/50 white/black public school. Does this give me a get out of white guilt free card?
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:34 am to volod
Most educational institutions don't offer street cred. That's much more important to black youths.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:34 am to volod
How well one will do in their educational career is based on attitudes and experiences before one starts kindergarten. Having parents that read to their kids, make education a priority and support teachers and schools makes all the difference, regardless of race.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:37 am to mtntiger
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They like to use Dr. Martin Luther King's name, but I don't think ANY of them have ANY idea what Dr. King and the people of his era went through to give today's black kids the opportunities that they now take big crap on. Today they whine about not having safe spaces. Are you kidding me? Back then, they couldn't use the same facilities as white people, go into a store through the front door or just look at a white person in the eyes. As I have posted previously, the problems in the black community are numerous and easy to spot. Solving them is going to take a lot of people a lot smarter than me. The first step, though, will be to admit that a lot of the problems are self-inflicted. they don't want to do that. It's much easier to blame others.
I can agree with that. Most blacks know about the civil rights movement. The issue is that they lack context to understand the societal norms of the 1950- 1970 era. Learning those norms and how people responded to them is what should shape how we go about civil actions today.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:38 am to cbi8
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But are they in the same private schools? ETA: For all you ignorant people...they aren't.
And this is my problem how?
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:43 am to volod
Not necessarily. If you grow up in the hood. Chances are it is a shitty school with shitty teachers where you learn nothing.
If youre atleast in a decent middle class area, chances are your school is so much better.
Also, when talking secondary plans. For most black people, they know very few people who even went to college, let alone graduate. Some dont know any who has actually went to college.
But on the other hand. More often than not for whites, you likely know multiple people who not only went to college, but also graduated.
See all of these things come into play when talking about educational opportunity.
If youre atleast in a decent middle class area, chances are your school is so much better.
Also, when talking secondary plans. For most black people, they know very few people who even went to college, let alone graduate. Some dont know any who has actually went to college.
But on the other hand. More often than not for whites, you likely know multiple people who not only went to college, but also graduated.
See all of these things come into play when talking about educational opportunity.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:44 am to QJenk
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Not necessarily. If you grow up in the hood. Chances are it is a shitty school with shitty teachers where you learn nothing.
not a race issue
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Also, when talking secondary plans. For most black people, they know very few people who even went to college, let alone graduate. Some dont know any who has actually went to college.
not a race issue
these are all class issues
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:45 am to volod
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the lack of educational opportunities of blacks.
It's not a lack of opportunities, i.e. go read about all the racist admission advantages they are afforded, it's a lack of want or motivation.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:45 am to Salmon
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this issue really has nothing to do with race, but moreso societal class
poor white people will struggle with educational opportunities the same way poor black people will
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:46 am to volod
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My qualifications and recommendations from primarily white professors has helped me progressed in my educational endeavors.
It didn't, however, help you with verb agreement.
Just busting your chops. I will say that your observation on the public educational opportunities for blacks and whites being the same, (for low and middle class students), is pretty accurate. The differences are more based on money, than skin color. Poor students don't have the same opportunities as rich students (for the most part) when it comes to private education.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:46 am to Paddyshack
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here are no "historically white colleges" for us to attend. And a black man can attend any college that a white man can, so technically speaking, there are more opportunities.
Um,you do realize that Whites can attend HBCUs too correct.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:47 am to QJenk
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See all of these things come into play when talking about educational opportunity.
Those are excuses. And Im not disregarding the fact that certain people may have it harder than others because of outside circumstances, but the opportunities are there you just have to care enough to use them.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:48 am to Powerman
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I was in electrical engineering so most of the black people I met were really bright
At LSU there were few blacks when I graduated with the same degree (EE). Most of them were hanging out in the quad BS'ing and dancing around. I agree with what's been said earlier that most of them had no business at LSU.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:53 am to QJenk
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See all of these things come into play when talking about educational opportunity.
Most of what you listed has nothing to do with the education institutions, but rather the social issues that hold people back.
That's kind of the point.....Don't blame the schools when the parents aren't giving the necessary support from the start.
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:58 am to QJenk
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Um,you do realize that Whites can attend HBCUs too correct.
Of course. But explain to me why any self-respecting white man would choose to go to a school that is all (or 99%) black? Are you really going to say that an HBU is an "opportunity" for a white man? The very fact that they are called HBUs indicates they want to be segregated to begin with. If equality is what everyone is yelling for, why can't equality go both ways? Why not rid of the HBU title altogether?
Would you consider a hypothetical "historically white university" an opportunity for a black man? I think not.
This post was edited on 7/12/16 at 11:59 am
Posted on 7/12/16 at 11:59 am to volod
Blacks tend to suffer from lack of "parental giving a frick about education". It rarely has much to do with schools or teachers.
Part of it is culture and part of it is single parent households so they don't have the time to give a shite.
Part of it is culture and part of it is single parent households so they don't have the time to give a shite.
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