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Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:10 pm to CharlesLSU
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Austrilia...to limit Box Jellyfish exposure.
I know. Some think there are beaches that are netted preventing shark attacks. The beaches that have nets for sharks are not completely netted off nor completely safe from shark attacks.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:10 pm to 21JumpStreet
quote:Yes, plenty of posters did until news came out that the father fought the gator. They thought the parents were shitty bc the kid was playing around the water. Imagine parents letting a kid play in sand and water at a play kingdom.
Nobody blaming parents this time around?
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:11 pm to The Macho King
quote:If they didn't want liability, they wouldn't have a resort at all. shite happens. You can't warn and put a sign up for every single thing that can happen. "Warning: The Sun Can Burn Your Skin" "Warning: Don't Look Up Or a Disney Bird Could shite In Your Eye"
Those resorts do not want any liability
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:11 pm to The Macho King
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At some beaches, they simply put up protective nets to keep sharks and other predators out and away from the families/guests.
Unlike sharks, gators actually have the ability to go onto land and circumvent nets and walls. A net would actually offer a false sense of security.
Again, this is the first instance after many years of kids playing in or near the water just like this poor soul. While it is terrifying to think about, there really is no perfect prevention system. The gators are native to the area and are a valuable part of the aquatic ecosystem.
My suspicion is that Disney may adopt a more stringent policy, and perhaps put people on the beaches to redirect noncompliant or oblivious guests.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:11 pm to Paddyshack
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Seriously I'm from Louisiana. If I go to the Amazon, you wouldn't blame me for not knowing about the anacondas or piranhas that are deadly and native to that region? I thought this was pretty basic stuff. Florida = marsh = gators Amazon = rainforest = anacondas/piranhas
Lets use the Home depot analogy. Guy goes to Hm depot(controlled environment) and is looking for a tree for his yard. He reaches for the tree and is bitten my a copperhead. Was he going to HM depot to get bitten by a posionous snake? Hell no! Hm depot paid up because it was their responsibility to maintain a safe place for its customers.
Same thing here Family wants to go to disney(assumed Controlled Envirnoment) to have fun with the kids. Disney is responsible for making sure this happens just as Home depot is. Now kid gets attacked and killed by Alligator. No one said the kid was swimming(for all you No swimming sign folks) he was playing on the shore.
Shouldnt disney take care of its customers, while on property? and provide a safe place for families.Did they do provide a safe experience for this family? Hell no!
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:12 pm to Chad504boy
You saying that riding in the car to disney is less dangerous? Or the Monorail? Or any roller coaster? Or the Florida heat?
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:13 pm to Paddyshack
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a world famous resort in Brazil and your kid walks 1 foot into some woods, are you to blame when it gets eaten by an anaconda?
Terrible, terrible analogy. Please take the short bus to analogy school; you need to be put in analogy special ed.
Disney World is the most controlled, fake, constructed environment in the world, legendary for cleanliness, orderliness, safety, and worry-free happiness. The expectation is that you are not in danger on their property and they have thought things through and sanitized and safeguarded everything.
Brazil is a failed state in South America with jungles famous for their danger. The expectation is that bad s*** will happen to you there. I would't go to Brazil, much less take my kid there, much less go anywhere near a jungle there.
This post was edited on 6/16/16 at 12:14 pm
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:14 pm to ell_13
You might swim safely with gators once, or even a hundred times. But sooner or later, you'll get bit.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:14 pm to ell_13
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Or the Monorail? Or any roller coaster?
if someone dies due to one of the above causation, disney paying fricking big money.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:15 pm to ell_13
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If they didn't want liability, they wouldn't have a resort at all. shite happens. You can't warn and put a sign up for every single thing that can happen. "Warning: The Sun Can Burn Your Skin" "Warning: Don't Look Up Or a Disney Bird Could shite In Your Eye"
Totally different. They can't control the sun, and bird shite isn't fatal. They can control dangerous animals from posing a threat.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:17 pm to The Macho King
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They can control dangerous animals from posing a threat.
They can't really totally control the gator population. They should do their best, but ultimately they can't be perfect in that regard.
What they can do is not build a beach that invites people to go down to the water. When you go to the zoo, there isn't an unlocked door to the lion cage on the public side that has a whimsical design, inviting patrons to open it. What Disney did is even worse than that, because everyone outside the cage knows lions are there; but people travel to Disney from places that don't have alligators in their lakes, so they're making the reasonable assumption that the worst that can happen to them is drowning, not being eaten alive. Disney invited them to a dangerous place via their beach and didn't warn them. That's a dereliction of the duty to care. That's why Disney is just going to pay up. A jury would nuke them from orbit once the plantiff's attorney put up a picture of that beach from a average day, full of kids playing at the waterline, which exists and has been posted here.
What they can do is post warning signs about the gators for people from other countries or states that don't have them.
This post was edited on 6/16/16 at 12:26 pm
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:17 pm to dualed
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dualed
You stupid or something?
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:18 pm to Chad504boy
quote:The examples I used were real. People have died. Disney Bus system. Disney monorail system. Overheating while in the parks. Riding a ride. Sometimes disney is "at fault". Others, not. They didn't pay for all of them.
if someone dies due to one of the above causation, disney paying fricking big money.
They'll pay for this one. They'll add a sign. But saying they SHOULD HAVE done something to prevent this is naive. If every resort or theme park did EVERYTHING they could to prevent harm, then they couldn't exist in the first place.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:18 pm to FLObserver
I guess I didn't lay that sarcasm on thick enough.
I think it's completely reasonable that the parents didn't know as much about alligators as someone from Florida. I also think it's completely reasonable that one would know enough to not let their two year old splash around in that water at night, alone.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:18 pm to Cooter Davenport
Disney will write them a huge check and put up a rock berm and bigger signs.
.....but wading along the edge of a body of water (where people are prohibited from swimming) in Florida after dark is begging for an encounter with a snake or allegator.
.....but wading along the edge of a body of water (where people are prohibited from swimming) in Florida after dark is begging for an encounter with a snake or allegator.
This post was edited on 6/16/16 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:18 pm to FLObserver
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Controlled Envirnoment)
That is outside on hundreds of acres of swamp land? Impossible!
You have a puppy walking on the beach and an eagle snatches it up is Disney responsible? Remember its a "controlled environment" right?
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:18 pm to The Macho King
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You might swim safely with gators once, or even a hundred times. But sooner or later, you'll get bit.
Posted on 6/16/16 at 12:20 pm to Cooter Davenport
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They can't really totally control the gator population. They shoudl do their best, but ultimately they can't be perfect int hat regard. What they can do is not build a beach that invites people to go down to the water. What they can do is post warning signs about the gators for people from other countries or states that don't have them.
Well said. And they CAN take preventative measures to keep gators out. Posting signs that say NO SWIMMING is not enough. Nets might not keep them completely out, but it would at least further decrease the likelihood of something like this happening.
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