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re: Bryce Jordan was our best hitter in SEC games
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:24 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:24 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
Bryce was 5/30 (.167) in postseason play and 1/12 (.083) in the NCAAT.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:31 pm to Kim Jong Ir
Bryce hit .311 or 82-103 in SEC play including the SEC tournament. Beau hit .304 or 38-125. That is very average.
Not including the SECT final SEC batting averages:
KRob .355
Freeman .333
Bryce .329
Reid .326
Fraley .321
Antoine .306
Beau .283
Freshman Chris Reid was .003 from Bryce's 3rd place in SEC average. Its far less impressive as you are making it sound.
Not including the SECT final SEC batting averages:
KRob .355
Freeman .333
Bryce .329
Reid .326
Fraley .321
Antoine .306
Beau .283
Freshman Chris Reid was .003 from Bryce's 3rd place in SEC average. Its far less impressive as you are making it sound.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:36 pm to Lester Earl
Who cares he's hit his ceiling and needs to transfer to McNeese
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:37 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
Beau was 7-31 .225 in the post season (6 of those hits came in the SEC tourney) and 1-18 .056 in the NCAA tourney. He finished the year on an 0-16 .000 run.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:44 pm to Tigahs1977
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far less impressive as you are making it sound
You talking to me?
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:46 pm to Kim Jong Ir
Sorry, I replied to you because you're the one who pointed out there were 2 games missing and i went and did the calcs... I was talking to Lester about it being impressive! My bad.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:07 pm to JJ27
quote:
IMO one of the worst decisions PM made all year was Wofford over Bryce in the 9th
Agree and if not Bryce, leave Breaux in rather than Wofford.
This post was edited on 6/14/16 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:25 pm to Tigahs1977
The real problem I had with Bryce wasn't his late season slump. It was bad but it doesn't tell the story. Lester talks so much about Bryce's OB% so let's start there.
He lead the team in free passes. 43 walks or HBPs. Impressive. Others were close behind though. Freeman had 38; duplantis 35; Kramer 41; Fraley 40. We will come back to this in a moment.
Bryce was near the bottom 3rd in other areas. 7th in RBI, 6th in Slg%, and even 6th in runs. Wait... How can he be so far down in runs with such a good OBP? Most will say because he had the bottom of the order behind him all year. And that can be relevant. But let's go back to those free passes...
Those other 4 players had a combined 81 stolen bases. Bryce had zero. Meaning he was in scoring position for the next batter behind him only 7 times the entire season. That's how many doubles he had. 9th on the team. It's great getting on base. (Hot take!) But what good is it if it doesn't translate to the scoreboard? Every time he's on, two good things still have to happen for him to cross the plate.
All that being said, I find it funny that people think the twins hit a ceiling. Baseball is a game of failure and many of the best players have to really fail for it to click. They've been successful their whole careers. And they put a lot of pressure on themselves to come through in big spots late. That happens so damn often with young players. They were over aggressive. Period. 3 weeks doesnt mean they aren't good hitters and fielders
He lead the team in free passes. 43 walks or HBPs. Impressive. Others were close behind though. Freeman had 38; duplantis 35; Kramer 41; Fraley 40. We will come back to this in a moment.
Bryce was near the bottom 3rd in other areas. 7th in RBI, 6th in Slg%, and even 6th in runs. Wait... How can he be so far down in runs with such a good OBP? Most will say because he had the bottom of the order behind him all year. And that can be relevant. But let's go back to those free passes...
Those other 4 players had a combined 81 stolen bases. Bryce had zero. Meaning he was in scoring position for the next batter behind him only 7 times the entire season. That's how many doubles he had. 9th on the team. It's great getting on base. (Hot take!) But what good is it if it doesn't translate to the scoreboard? Every time he's on, two good things still have to happen for him to cross the plate.
All that being said, I find it funny that people think the twins hit a ceiling. Baseball is a game of failure and many of the best players have to really fail for it to click. They've been successful their whole careers. And they put a lot of pressure on themselves to come through in big spots late. That happens so damn often with young players. They were over aggressive. Period. 3 weeks doesnt mean they aren't good hitters and fielders
This post was edited on 6/14/16 at 10:03 pm
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:53 pm to ell_13
Uuuuhhhhh....
Its Football Season
Its Football Season
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:09 pm to Lester Earl
Why don't we wait till next year and let the players earn their spots in the lineup. Who had KR make all SEC this year?
We have had numerous players make major improvements from one year to the next and also players who had major slides. The Jordan's are good hitters who work very hard. They both went cold at the end. I look for them to work very hard between now and next season to become better hitters.
For almost the entire time PM has been coach, with very few exceptions, the best 9 hitters played. Even this year he went from Pap to Romero when he was hitting well, then back to Pap when Romero cooled down and Pap started hitting much better
We have had numerous players make major improvements from one year to the next and also players who had major slides. The Jordan's are good hitters who work very hard. They both went cold at the end. I look for them to work very hard between now and next season to become better hitters.
For almost the entire time PM has been coach, with very few exceptions, the best 9 hitters played. Even this year he went from Pap to Romero when he was hitting well, then back to Pap when Romero cooled down and Pap started hitting much better
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:15 pm to TigerDM
Put the bats and balls away.
We got got our a$$@#& kicked.
Its Football Season now. :-D
We got got our a$$@#& kicked.
Its Football Season now. :-D
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:16 pm to Lester Earl
It's unfortunate he hit a slump when he did because he was as stated solid as frick during the middle 1/3 of the season.. Unfortunately for him, people only view his post season struggles as relevant to his ability
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:37 pm to Nissanmaxima
With those numbers in post season, he should have been pinched hit for at least.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 11:22 pm to Tigahs1977
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Bryce hit .311 or 82-103 in SEC play including the SEC tournament. Beau hit .304 or 38-125. That is very average.
you have a weird definition of average.
funny you didnt calculate his OBP.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 12:09 am to ell_13
i couldn't agree more..... Well stated. The idea that you don't have to be a track star to be an asset to a baseball team (a skill specific sport) is ellusive to fans. Watching players go through slumps, etc is never pretty and is a test of the players metal. Having Grit, being a grinder, being a dirt bag will lend itself to a player who will develop. Knowing there will be failures and adjustments along the way. Waiting for a freshman class to come along and be 4-5 tool players who have more metal and poise than the 3-4yr players have isn't realistic. Not taking anything away from incoming freshman, they are talented, just as the upper classman were when they showed up on campus. Every player will fail, will hit mental barriers that will require adjustments that the player has never had to make. This is esp true for incoming freshman, regardless of how tall he is, how fast he is, how high he can jump or bat speed off the charts with an impeccable swing. There are intangables a player can have that don't show on paper that coaches see and look for.
As ell_13 said, most successful ballplayers fail before
As ell_13 said, most successful ballplayers fail before
Posted on 6/15/16 at 12:20 am to ell_13
quote:
. How can he be so far down in runs with such a good OBP? Most will say because he had the bottom of the order behind him all year
Freeman 66 starts 216 ABs : 46 runs
Duplantis 66 starts 272 Abs: 45 runs
Bryce Jordan 54 starts 188 ABS : 40 runs
now im not great at math, but im pretty sure Jordan scores more frequently than Duplantis and at the very same rate as Freeman.
which makes your hot take of just getting to first base more ridiculous.
39 SBs compared to zero for Jordan
87 & 114 Total bases, vs 77 for Jordan
You're last paragraph is on point though. But "Just" getting to 1st base will never be out style.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 12:34 am to Lester Earl
quote:eh it might be. It'll depend on how the summer/fall goes. He was awful in the post season
that isnt cause for him to lose a starting spot. Not after what he did in SEC games.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 5:30 am to Lester Earl
The Jordan twins WERE highly recruited and were high profile recruits.
The truth is that when it counted most Bryce disappeared. He can not hit a curve ball and came up time and again with runners in scoring position at crucial points in games a did not produce. That is a fact. Plain and simple.
The truth is that when it counted most Bryce disappeared. He can not hit a curve ball and came up time and again with runners in scoring position at crucial points in games a did not produce. That is a fact. Plain and simple.
Posted on 6/15/16 at 6:34 am to Lester Earl
First, using ABs is flawed because it removes walks and HBPs... The main factor in my point. Second, if we use plate appearances, his runs per plate appearance falls to 5th.
And let's talk about Duplantis' numbers. If you remember, he wasn't leadoff until the Vandy series. Prior to that, he was 3rd knocking in Fraley and Kramer who was leadoff for the first half of the year. Who was typically batting behind him? The Jordan brothers.
And let's talk about Duplantis' numbers. If you remember, he wasn't leadoff until the Vandy series. Prior to that, he was 3rd knocking in Fraley and Kramer who was leadoff for the first half of the year. Who was typically batting behind him? The Jordan brothers.
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