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re: WWII Thread: Lesser known aircraft that you like

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Posted by CaptainBrannigan
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Posted on 4/5/16 at 1:28 pm to
Bikers are trash. They all should be locked away under RICO laws.
Posted by Wolfhound45
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Posted on 4/5/16 at 1:42 pm to
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Here you go....
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 4/5/16 at 1:47 pm to
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Bikers are trash. They all should be locked away under RICO laws


Wrong thread there, Chief.
Posted by Poodlebrain
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Posted on 4/5/16 at 1:56 pm to
P-61 Black Widow, the first purpose built night fighter
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 4/5/16 at 1:57 pm to
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P-61 Black Widow, the first purpose built night fighter



That's another model I built years ago that did not survive my son's early years.
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Posted on 4/5/16 at 2:01 pm to
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P-61 Black Widow, the first purpose built night fighter









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Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 4/5/16 at 2:01 pm to
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The single biggest boondoggle in USAF history to date

Short synopsis: The new USAF wins a struggle with the USN over which service is dominant. The Air Force claims the B-36 made carriers obsolete. Truman backs the AF, cancels the USN's first supercarrier. This leads to the "Revolt of the Admirals".

Ironically, the B-36 never works. The engines used were designed to pull the aircraft forward. The B-36 mounts them in pusher configuration. As a result, the engines over heat, and fires were a constant issue. Also, the configuration caused a distinctive sound-wave that preceded the aircraft. Before the aircraft showed up, any potential enemy would have long been aware it was on the way.

Add to this, jet fighters were becoming common. The B-36 was helpless against them. The plane is never used in combat.

Fast forward to today, supercarriers are America's main weapon of choice...just as US Navy admirals predicted they would be.




That's probably why the B-36 had such a short service life and was soon replaced by the B-47



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Posted on 4/5/16 at 2:05 pm to
Posted by idlewatcher
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Posted on 4/5/16 at 2:05 pm to
There seems to be quite a few plane enthusiasts in this thread. A guy I know from the park (dog, not gloryhole thank you ) said his dad had escaped German gunfire by dropping "aluminum strips" or something along those lines to confuse the German radar.

Anyone else heard of that? If so, what planes would have been capable of that? Are they "lead planes" or what? TIA
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
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Posted on 4/5/16 at 2:07 pm to
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That's probably why the B-36 had such a short service life and was soon replaced by the B-47


But not before 384 of the useless monstrosities were built, at a price tag of $4.1 million each.

Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
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Posted on 4/5/16 at 2:09 pm to
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said his dad had escaped German gunfire by dropping "aluminum strips" or something along those lines to confuse the German radar.


The British code name for this was "window".

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Chaff, originally called Window[1] by the British, and Düppel by the Second World War era German Luftwaffe (from the Berlin suburb where it was first developed), is a radar countermeasure in which aircraft or other targets spread a cloud of small, thin pieces of aluminium, metallized glass fibre or plastic, which either appears as a cluster of primary targets on radar screens or swamps the screen with multiple returns.


Wiki
Posted by idlewatcher
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Posted on 4/5/16 at 2:12 pm to
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TigersOfGeauxld


You're the man! Thanks!

There are some incredible stories from that era. This guy is going to somewhere near the Czech Republic over the summer to see where his dad was initially shot down.
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
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Posted on 4/5/16 at 2:18 pm to
Posted by Napoleon
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Posted on 4/5/16 at 2:19 pm to
P-61




P-82

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On 27 February 1947, P-82B 44-65168, named Betty Jo and flown by Colonel Robert E. Thacker, made history when it flew nonstop from Hawaii to New York without refueling, a distance of 5,051 mi
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Posted on 4/5/16 at 2:20 pm to
Three pages and no Horten? I am disappoint

Posted by foshizzle
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Posted on 4/5/16 at 2:31 pm to
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The B-69 Paige


The Lippisch Aerodyne actually, but I anyway.

Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 4/5/16 at 2:39 pm to
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On 27 February 1947, P-82B 44-65168, named Betty Jo and flown by Colonel Robert E. Thacker, made history when it flew nonstop from Hawaii to New York without refueling, a distance of 5,051 mi



Damn. That's impressive. I had no idea the "Twin Mustang" had that sort of range. Wonder how many hours the flight took? Now imagine spending that many hours in this....

Posted by NWarty
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Posted on 4/5/16 at 2:51 pm to
P-40?
Posted by TigersOfGeauxld
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Posted on 4/5/16 at 2:59 pm to
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Now imagine spending that many hours in this..


Imagine having to pee in that cockpit at some point.

Which brings to mind a funny story regarding B-17's in British service...

Before the US entered WWII, the RAF was flying B-17's in combat as a result of Lend Lease.

The B-17's did not have a good reputation in British hands. It's bomb bay doors routinely refused to open above the targets, which caused the British to reassign it to reconnaissance missions.

Boeing Aircraft was unable to replicate the problems in the US. So the company finally sent a civilian engineer to go along on a British B-17 bombing mission.

Just after takeoff, the American engineer witnessed an RAF crewman peeing into the bomb bay. When questioned, the crewman explained that this was a ritual among RAF flight crews. It was though to bring good luck.

The result was, as the American engineer submitted in his report noted, that the urine froze at high altitude and the mechanism that opened the bomb bay doors wasn't strong enough to open the doors sealed shut by frozen urine.

The result was that the British banned peeing into the bomb bay after take off, which immediately fixed the problem. Boeing also installed a more robust door opener in newer B-17's to ensure the problem never happened again.

The incidence of stuck bomb bay doors in B-17's was very low in USAAF service comparison.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 4/5/16 at 2:59 pm to
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P-40?


According to the picture that's the interior of a P-51. This is supposed to be the cockpit of a P-40....




Looking at the manual "bull's eye" sight in front of the canopy, I'd say this is indeed a P-40.
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