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Posted on 3/17/16 at 11:58 am to ell_13
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These kids get made promises while recruited and get pissed when they don't get what they were promised or the promises stop.
I get that and he was given his opportunity to start and he failed. If a young man can't see that he failed in his opportunity then that is a him problem and it might be good he left. I wish the young man well and hope he has a very successful career.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:01 pm to ell_13
I hate that Zardon left
I'm undecided on Byrd
I was rooting for Dean his freshman year but he looked pretty bad at the plate
Godfrey 4-0 with a 0.0 ERA!!!!???-WTF happened here
I don't remember Barash getting much playing time and I don't remember Stone at all.
I'm undecided on Byrd
I was rooting for Dean his freshman year but he looked pretty bad at the plate
Godfrey 4-0 with a 0.0 ERA!!!!???-WTF happened here
I don't remember Barash getting much playing time and I don't remember Stone at all.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:06 pm to geauxtigers33
You're still just assuming he wanted a promise. Some of these guys leave because PM asks them to or they don't want to be here. The reasons on either side could be various.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:08 pm to ell_13
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You're still just assuming he wanted a promise. Some of these guys leave because PM asks them to or they don't want to be here. The reasons on either side could be various.
I thought pulmonary's comments indicated that they wanted assurances they would play, and he couldn't give those to them.
On Zardon:
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Mainieri met with Zardon this summer to discuss his status as a starter. The coach said Zardon and he “both agreed the best thing for him is to go somewhere where he’ll need to be in the lineup every day.” Mainieri couldn’t promise Zardon a starting spot. The coach started Zardon at third base to begin last season before a host of fielding miscues. Zardon moved to first base and then slipped from the lineup completely, becoming LSU’s designated hitter against left-handed pitchers. “Some schools will afford that kind of guarantee to a youngster, and I just can’t,” Mainieri said of a starting spot. “I hope he does well and gets his chance at professional baseball.”
This post was edited on 3/17/16 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:09 pm to therick711
For Zardon, yes. Don't remember comments about Godfrey. Either way, there are ways a coach can handle a situation when a player isn't happy. PM didn't try very hard to keep Zardon around.
This post was edited on 3/17/16 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:13 pm to ell_13
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How different would the baseball team look with these 6 players?
Yeah, we'd probably be no better or worse.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:15 pm to ell_13
Not surprising. He can't defend, he wanted to be in the lineup everyday, and he didn't want to be part of a platoon. How do you think that should be managed?
pulmonary: You are best utilized in a platoon.
Iron Glove: I think I should be an everyday player.
pulmonary: I can't guarantee you a spot in the lineup every day. Your best chance for success would be in a platoon.
Iron Glove: I think I need to play every day to make it to professional ball.
pulmonary: I disagree.
Iron Glove: Well, I'll have to transfer then.
pulmonary: fine.
Iron Glove: fine.
pulmonary: Fine!
Iron Glove: Fine!
pulmonary: You are best utilized in a platoon.
Iron Glove: I think I should be an everyday player.
pulmonary: I can't guarantee you a spot in the lineup every day. Your best chance for success would be in a platoon.
Iron Glove: I think I need to play every day to make it to professional ball.
pulmonary: I disagree.
Iron Glove: Well, I'll have to transfer then.
pulmonary: fine.
Iron Glove: fine.
pulmonary: Fine!
Iron Glove: Fine!
This post was edited on 3/17/16 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:20 pm to therick711
We can pretend we know what was said. Typically, at year's end you do an evaluation and discuss goals for next year and summer plans. Zardon's story may be a little different than PM's...
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Posted on 3/17/16 at 12:22 pm to ell_13
Saying Godfrey was too emotional is not the whole truth tho. He had some serious mental issues with his mechanics that go way beyond emotions.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 7:30 pm to 0
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Jake Godfrey @J_GOD23
I've learned a lot.... Don't let anyone place you in a category. Don't let anyone stereotype you into the player "They" think you are.
This post was edited on 3/17/16 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 3/17/16 at 8:17 pm to ell_13
Godfrey is the main one I miss. He could've really helped this staff. Thought he would improve alot from year 1 to 2.
Not surprised about Zardon, he could hit, but PM doesn't start players in the field who are below average for very long. He has always emphasized strong defense.
Not surprised about Zardon, he could hit, but PM doesn't start players in the field who are below average for very long. He has always emphasized strong defense.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 8:23 pm to ell_13
We are 13-3. Were we supposed to be 16-0? Godfrey is the only one I am really interested in because we need depth at pitcher but is there a sure thing that he won't keep throwing himself into holes like he did when he was here?
Hitting has surprisingly not been a big problem this year and none of those guys were sure-fire to start now as others have pointed out.
This thread seems more like trying to rail on the coach for losing talent on a team that is still very talented. I would be more pissed about all these transfers if we were 8-8 and already lost a pair of weekend series.
Hitting has surprisingly not been a big problem this year and none of those guys were sure-fire to start now as others have pointed out.
This thread seems more like trying to rail on the coach for losing talent on a team that is still very talented. I would be more pissed about all these transfers if we were 8-8 and already lost a pair of weekend series.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 8:25 pm to ThoseGuys
You didn't read the thread I see. Thanks for posting.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 8:34 pm to ell_13
You asked how a 13-3 team would be different with 6 players that were not projected to be starters.
I read through all 3 pages. We would likely still be 13-3 because it isn't a sure thing any of them are starting.
It's cool that they are doing well at their new schools, but does anyone really think they put up similar numbers if they stayed at LSU?
I read through all 3 pages. We would likely still be 13-3 because it isn't a sure thing any of them are starting.
It's cool that they are doing well at their new schools, but does anyone really think they put up similar numbers if they stayed at LSU?
Posted on 3/17/16 at 8:41 pm to ThoseGuys
Yes, don't be obtuse. At least one or two of those guys would put up similar stats at LSU. Dakota Dean isn't just hitting, he is crushing...and Zardon already did hit well at LSU
Posted on 3/17/16 at 8:44 pm to ThoseGuys
Right. I did not ask how they would be better. Just different. And don't tell me none of them were projected to start. Godfrey would likely get first look at Sundays. Byrd was looking great at the end and had a good shot of being the guy at 2B. Zardon at 3B. And Barash would definitely be starting and it's likely Latz and Pap would have gone somehwere else or let it be known they'd sign a contract. Stone and Dean were the only two who probably needed to go for reasons Russian mentioned. The team needed space for more players and they were at the bottom.
Why would Barash not have similar numbers at LSU? He plays for a higher ranked team.
ETA: I also said twice in this thread that the staff did great going out and getting transfers who are contributing big right away. I'm not bashing. I just found it interesting that so many are doing well. It's normally just one or two every couple of years.
Why would Barash not have similar numbers at LSU? He plays for a higher ranked team.
ETA: I also said twice in this thread that the staff did great going out and getting transfers who are contributing big right away. I'm not bashing. I just found it interesting that so many are doing well. It's normally just one or two every couple of years.
This post was edited on 3/17/16 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 3/17/16 at 8:55 pm to josh336
Correct me if I am wrong but in our 3 loses we have given up 23 runs.
We are averaging almost 8.5 runs per game. Hitting is not what is hurting us right now. I admit that having Godfrey would likely help us, but given what I saw from him, he just as likely could cost us a game as he could win us one.
We can have this discussion again if the team gets to Super Regional/Omaha and we are lacking in leadership. Than I will be missing some guys who would have been with the team last year and could help out. But after 16 games, this seems silly to me. Sorry.
We are averaging almost 8.5 runs per game. Hitting is not what is hurting us right now. I admit that having Godfrey would likely help us, but given what I saw from him, he just as likely could cost us a game as he could win us one.
We can have this discussion again if the team gets to Super Regional/Omaha and we are lacking in leadership. Than I will be missing some guys who would have been with the team last year and could help out. But after 16 games, this seems silly to me. Sorry.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 8:59 pm to ThoseGuys
I'm not arguing that LSU needs them, just that I'm positive a couple of those guys would put up similar outputs to what we are getting now from the guys that replaced them.
Posted on 3/17/16 at 9:01 pm to ThoseGuys
No one was talking about hurting or helping except you. You don't understand the topic. These guys who left are obviously succeeding where they are now and if they had stayed, would likely contribute and our staff would not have brought in the transfers or recruited like they did.
Take Barash for example. If we had him and he waited behind Sciv, we would not have gone after a catcher for last year's class. We would have waited for this year and had a freshman getting to know things and getting spot duty. So no Pap. Things like that. Typically, this only happens once every year or two where a guy leaves and is successful enough to make you wonder if he would have helped LSU. But right now, there are 6 players who fit in that category (although Byrd isn't playing at this point). I even left out DeHart who's at Tulane but isn't doing well.
In no way is the a "Hey look how good we could have been!!!" Thread.
Take Barash for example. If we had him and he waited behind Sciv, we would not have gone after a catcher for last year's class. We would have waited for this year and had a freshman getting to know things and getting spot duty. So no Pap. Things like that. Typically, this only happens once every year or two where a guy leaves and is successful enough to make you wonder if he would have helped LSU. But right now, there are 6 players who fit in that category (although Byrd isn't playing at this point). I even left out DeHart who's at Tulane but isn't doing well.
In no way is the a "Hey look how good we could have been!!!" Thread.
This post was edited on 3/17/16 at 9:05 pm
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