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You can't just say Philly Model. Boston drafted sullinger, olynyk, smart. Milwaukee drafted Middleton, Parker, and Giannis. Minnesota got Wiggins and KAT. These are some young talented players and in the future would become better depending on who they are surrounded with.

And what I'm saying is that if you put a player like AD on any of those teams they don't get to draft those guys. There draft pick would inevitably be worse because they had a guy like AD already on the roster.

If you get your "superstar" player first like we did, then it's not so easy to pick up talent in the draft because one good player on your roster can take you out of top 10 pick range. You could say this is what happened to the Cavs and Lebron the first time around. They drafted the best player since Jordan and then they were never in a position to draft highly rated prospects because LeBron made them too good to be in that position.

It's much better to have already drafted your supporting cast and then land the super star.

ETA: And Minny didn't draft Wiggins. They lucked out in that their best player who was ready to GTFO of that shitshow was coveted by the team who had the #1 pick. And the guys the got (Wiggins, the other number 1 pick who is so worthless I can't even remember his name) weren't good enough to keep them from being bottom of the barrel, so they were in a position to draft KAT.

I love me some Giannis, but the guy still has a long way to go before he's a superstar. 3 years in and he is still really raw.

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Posted by htran90

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Posted on 2/2/16 at 6:21 pm to JohnnyKilroy

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And what I'm saying is that if you put a player like AD on any of those teams they don't get to draft those guys. There draft pick would inevitably be worse because they had a guy like AD already on the roster.

We had the chance, we shipped off that pick and the 2014 pick for Jrue. Look at every pick from 6-15.
10 players: 2 SF, 2 SG, 2 PG, 1 Combo guards, and 3 centers.

Could have gotten:
Noel
McLemore
KCP
Burke
McCollum
MCW
Adams
Olynyk
Shabazz
Giannis

At this point in time, about 3 haven't panned out. the other 7 have been improving year by year.

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Posted by duyp

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Posted on 2/2/16 at 6:28 pm to JohnnyKilroy

Let's say we still have our picks, it'll be Noel/Burke/Mccolum, Efrid Payton/Jusuf Nurkic, and Saric.

Add any of those three with AD and they be a great young team to watch.

As much as I love watching Holliday, I think if we add another superstar to the squad we be instant contenders. Philly doesn't have the luxury we have of adding a superstar because who would want to play with them? We have AD! So we really didn't have to rush it. I would understand that route if AD wasn't on his rookie contract and in his prime. We rushed it too fast.

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Posted by NOFOX

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Posted on 2/2/16 at 8:07 pm to JohnnyKilroy

Except when we did get AD on our team we were still drafting top 10 for multiple years. So your premise is kind of flawed. We can't attract super FA's like Miami. We need to hit on some minor free agents and the draft. Otherwise we end up goings the Cleveland model. I don't want to hope AD comes back here after winning championships in a big market.

We have a better chance of fluking into the OKC/Warriors/Spurs model than wining via the Heat model. More than likely we end up doing the Cleveland model where we will get a high pick when AD leaves because we can't build a competitor around him with trades and mid-tier fee agents.

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