re: FBI releases video of chase, shooting that killed Oregon refugee occupier

That is noteworthy but any motherfricker who thinks they can run from the cops then, be told to surrender and after puts their hands in their jacket to reach for whatever, is asking for trouble.

Especially given the context. You guys can't be so shallow. These dudes were making videos threatening the gov't. Come on people, it's not hard to see.

My bad GR, going to edit my post to make it a little more clear.

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You said he reached. His hands could have come down while he tried to keep his balance in the 2 ft snow.

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This has to be a troll. Did you even watch the videos to see where his hand went? I doubt it.

You see him get out with his hands up trying to walk through the snow. He makes a turn and his hands come down. At what point is he shot? If it was that original movement, he could have easily been grabbing his side. We can't hear what was said or tell when the first shot took place. Everything is an assumption.

Facts: he's an idiot. Running away from cops and into a road block because he was speeding. Nothing I saw after that showed conclusively that he was a threat. Does that mean he wasn't? Of course not. It just means I don't know and neither does anyone who's going solely off the video.

That's the only Assumption you can make from that video.

I can't tell anything about when the very first shot took place. Not sure how you could. We don't even know if the vehicle was being shot at while it was going at the barricade.

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I don't care if he was reaching for a stick of gum. You don't reach for something after fleeing the initial stop and almost running over a FBI agent. I'm not going to give you a chance to pull your gun or whatever when you know damn well you're fricking up. He wanted to be a martyr or just go out in a blaze of glory and he got it.

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exactly, they are screaming at idiots like this, 'hands motherfricker' 'do anything stupid with your hands and you die here today'

dumbasses and people with death wishes then proceed to suddenly needs something from deep in a coat.

I think that whole group was filled with dumbass.

Didn't they take over that place without enough food to last them hardly any time or was that made up?

Are you watching the video NegativeNomad posted? Go watch that. He damn near kills a cop by running over him, then, to me, it's pretty obvious he's reaching for something before he got shot.

Either way, dude had a death wish.

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 he wasn't trying to run anyone over. 

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Do you not see him try to hit the guy standing in the snow when he goes off of the road? If wasn't trying to hit him, going wider is extremely easy right there.

In addition, have you ever walked in 2 ft of snow? Your arms stay wide when maintaining balance, even if they are going up and down. They never come into the body while actively swinging to maintain balance.

You also don't bring both hands to the same side of your body. It looked more like he was trying to pull something from his pocket, and his opposite hand was pulling on the outside of the pocket to allow for easier removal of the object.