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re: Shaq: If LSU would have paid Saban, LSU would be Alabama

Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:43 am to
Posted by studentsect
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:43 am to
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Plus if Saban stays we keep dominating the Mobile area in recruiting and all the sudden guys like Trent Richardson are Tigers (hell he almost was one anyway).

Complete List of Players Saban got from Mobile who had offers from Alabama:
JaMarcus Russel

The idea that LSU had some kind of huge presence in the Mobile area is silly. Chevis Jackson turned out to be good but he didn't have offers from the big state schools. There aren't any other LSU players from Mobile in the early 2000s.
Posted by GeorgeReymond
Buckhead
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Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:45 am to
I would love to hear these core competencies
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
Markey's bar
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Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:46 am to
Ok, fine. As well as we've recruited though you dont think Saban is the one guy who could/would have bettered that?

Where is Cam Robinson playing right now? Where does Landon Collins go? Come on man.
This post was edited on 1/19/16 at 9:48 am
Posted by TigerRagAndrew
Check my style out
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:47 am to
We got Sidell Corley and Phelon Jones initially but they left and turned out to be nobodies
Posted by Thurber
NWLA
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Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:48 am to
I don't agree with that. Saban wanted the NFL.
Posted by STRIPES
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:55 am to
At the time, Saban was the hottest commodity
for the NFL. The NFL was slobbering all over him for every opportunity. The Dolphins gave Saban everything he asked for and Saban failed. The NFL has cooled on Saban and Saban now realizes he can fail. At the time, Saban thought he was a cant miss. Now we know he can.
This post was edited on 1/19/16 at 9:56 am
Posted by studentsect
Member since Jan 2004
2271 posts
Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:56 am to
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Ok, fine. As well as we've recruited though you dont think Saban is the one guy who could/would have bettered that?

Where is Cam Robinson playing right now? Where does Landon Collins go? Come on man.


Would the last 10 years have been better for LSU if Saban had never left?

Obviously, if for no other reason than that they wouldn't have had to recruit and play against Saban at Alabama. The last 10 years would've also been better if Saban had not been a terrible NFL head coach.

But you can't use something that happened from 2008-2015 to say what someone should or should not have done in 2004. Nick Saban who isn't job-hunting is a better coach than the job-hunting Nick Saban. LSU got the job-hunting one. It is what it is. It took complete failure in the NFL to make him stop treating NCAA as a stepping stone, and there was nothing LSU could do about that.
Posted by studentsect
Member since Jan 2004
2271 posts
Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:58 am to
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We got Sidell Corley and Phelon Jones initially but they left and turned out to be nobodies



"We" meaning Les Miles at LSU while Nick Saban was head coach at Alabama. Not exactly evidence that Saban had a Mobile Pipeline.
And yea, they never contributed.
Posted by dagrippa
Saigon
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Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:59 am to
I love Shaq but he's wrong
Posted by Gray Tiger
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:59 am to
Nothing and I do mean NO THING was going to keep Saban at LSU for very long. He wanted the NFL. Period. LSU was just a vehicle to get him there.
The Dolphins offered what LSU could never have matched. More money for one.They had deeper pockets and an owner desperate for a Super Bowl trophy. No matter what $$ LSU had been able to come up with, he was (is?) richer and he could just have upped the ante.

The second thing he offered that LSU couldn't match was ancillary matters like facilities, equipment, staffing, etc. Again the Dolphins had the cold hard cash to give Saban any little thing he wanted.

The third and probably the final item was control. Saban demanded and got full and unrestricted control over all matters relating to the team. He answered only to the owner. This is something LSU could not match. He had tried this same power ploy at least twice before, with the Bears and Giants.There was no way the Mara and Halas (McCaskey) families would give him that.

So the myth that LSU was too cheap to keep Saban is just that, a myth.
Posted by jrodLSUke
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Member since Jan 2011
22321 posts
Posted on 1/19/16 at 9:59 am to
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I specifically remember him mentioning in one of his last presser that he loved LSU but worried that one day he'd have 1 down year and we'd want him out.

No way. LSU would never run off the most successful coach in program history just for losing 2 or 3 games. I just don't believe fans would allow it!
Posted by dagrippa
Saigon
Member since Nov 2004
11308 posts
Posted on 1/19/16 at 10:08 am to
quote:

As well as we've recruited though you dont think Saban is the one guy who could/would have bettered that?



Absolutely Saban could have improved it. When you add in that he's directly focused, recruiting against us specifically to weaken an SEC West threat it's a double whammy.

Miles is a fantastic recruiter and has put together a great staff to recruit as well. Saban is just another level above everyone else. Relentless.

Saban wanted to try the NFL and fell on his face. His recruiting mastery is no use there. He's just a good coach.
Posted by SeekGreatness
Member since Nov 2015
3489 posts
Posted on 1/19/16 at 10:09 am to
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Would the last 10 years have been better for LSU if Saban had never left? Obviously, if for no other reason than that they wouldn't have had to recruit and play against Saban at Alabama. The last 10 years would've also been better if Saban had not been a terrible NFL head coach. But you can't use something that happened from 2008-2015 to say what someone should or should not have done in 2004. Nick Saban who isn't job-hunting is a better coach than the job-hunting Nick Saban. LSU got the job-hunting one. It is what it is. It took complete failure in the NFL to make him stop treating NCAA as a stepping stone, and there was nothing LSU could do about that.


This is the best statement I've seen yet on here that supports the fact that LSU should have done whatever it had to do to get Nick back from Miami. Bad PR? Sure. Leave you with a sick feeling? Yeah. But the 10 years after would have proven it to be the right decision. Heck, Bama might have even hired Les. it wouldn't have been the end of his career.
This post was edited on 1/19/16 at 10:11 am
Posted by CBandits82
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Member since May 2012
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Posted on 1/19/16 at 10:09 am to
Terrible quote, he wanted to try the NFL.
Posted by royalvin
juarez
Member since Sep 2015
196 posts
Posted on 1/19/16 at 10:10 am to
tam and ky had their shot at bear!!

how long are the lsu crybabies gonna regret spilt milk?

30, 40, 50, 60 YEARS???

EITHER remarry or accept this lifetime of suffering!
Posted by CaliTigerForLife
California
Member since Nov 2015
1215 posts
Posted on 1/19/16 at 10:13 am to
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Ok, fine. As well as we've recruited though you dont think Saban is the one guy who could/would have bettered that? Where is Cam Robinson playing right now? Where does Landon Collins go? Come on man.


From here on out, you will officially be pegged as one of the Bama Forty. How's that social media job Saban pays you working out?
Posted by SeekGreatness
Member since Nov 2015
3489 posts
Posted on 1/19/16 at 10:13 am to
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how long are the lsu crybabies gonna regret spilt milk? 30, 40, 50, 60 YEARS???


The answer to this question is this: As long as we continue to consistently lose to a Saban-led Alabama team. Start splitting wins with Bama on a regular basis with no more than 2 consecutive losses to them and Saban loses his luster among our fan base.
This post was edited on 1/19/16 at 10:17 am
Posted by STRIPES
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2003
4771 posts
Posted on 1/19/16 at 10:19 am to
If Michigan State would have kept him, what then? What if Saban would have stayed with the Dolphins? Would they have won 3 or 4 Super Bowls?

This is stupid.
This post was edited on 1/19/16 at 10:21 am
Posted by SeekGreatness
Member since Nov 2015
3489 posts
Posted on 1/19/16 at 10:26 am to
You should know that I meant we should have done whatever it took to get him back when it became known he was leaving the NFL to return to college coaching. Its not that difficult to figure out. I wasn't speculating about other possible factors that didn't exist. The situation that actually did exist was that he was leaving the NFL and he was available.
This post was edited on 1/19/16 at 10:28 am
Posted by timlan2057
In the Shadow of Tiger Stadium
Member since Sep 2005
17073 posts
Posted on 1/19/16 at 10:27 am to
Shaq is all over the map.

At the A&M game, he was white-knighting for Miles.
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